Or just work at all
I don't think so - I went through all kinds of workplaces, worked for more than 20 separate companies but I've only started seeing the shit game devs gotta deal with when i started working in customer support in a small software dev company.
What's been said here is literally a tip of the needle sitting on the tip of the gigantic iceberg made of shit - Kil is like a huge fridge that keeps the temperature down and therefore keeps this shit from spreading and dumbass imbeciles like Rondo are the ozone holes that fuck up the climate and make the shitberg melt