Changelog 09/02/2014

[mojuk]

So after 2 days 90% pvp players stopped using pancor, maybe the nerf was too much ?

Players with good builds are still using it and doing just fine. At least then can't 2 (max.3) shot-kill everybody without giving them chance to defend.

lol what, sorry i dont agree, pancor hit tanks (with good builds) for 70-80 dmg and then kept doing less because of adrenaline rush

pancor is front line weapon, it was possible to defend against laser gatling and onehexers with that weapon, now its completely useless against such

i may have only 15 town control battles in my gamelife but that is what i saw and i attended half of those battles as sniper (211 hp and never had problem with pancors)

Did some shoting just now with purple ammo vs 288 psycho + beer (after first few shots) ar, et tank in ca mkII:

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This is how normal damage looks like, not out of space 120-140 shots with first best char with pancor in hand.
Also keep in mind that pancor users are also heavy tanks not glass cannons.
Also#2 they got much better firerate (less ap per burst) than gatling/avenger and can shot 4 times not 3 before reloading.

[carnack]

full tank is never gonna shoot for 120-140. and why would you count crits ? even with all perks you can crit 15% on 5 bullets, thats almost nothing

[BB.]

Or maybe it was perfect. All top guns should be used pretty much evenly, in different circumstances.

Pancor with decent, but not overpowered dmg and without knockback is less effective than XL. Ok, dmg was extreme. The point was you could use knockback tactic ("different circumstances"). Now you can't even be sure if enemy flies (it's like 50-50).

You may call me a noob, but what I see is an unceasing whine when a particular type of guns gets their "better versions" - you tend to nerf every weapon that deals different than standard "around 90" dmg to the one that really does "around 90" (like a Pancor, it was meant to be an upgraded CAWS version, now it's maybe slightly better). The exception is Gatling - which is incomparable to any other weapon, it deals 300 dmg and you can burst two times (-ap ones, because of lockers, are really common now!). It was okay when Gatling was a very rare weapon - now it's not. Well, to be honest, every previously rare item is pretty popular now (lockers are to powerful - every noob can get their HPA).

[carnack]

The point is that pancor is not unique in any way now, the knockback is not reliable (things that are not reliable make you dead) and xl70e3 does same dmg (even with spread) and has higher range and can onehex players.

[mojuk]

full tank is never gonna shoot for 120-140. and why would you count crits ? even with all perks you can crit 15% on 5 bullets, thats almost nothing

Thanks why I said good build. I was shoting with char that got 20 crit chance, no better crit and as you can see even on 5 bullets it does matter (you don't see partial crits there
Also as far as I know full tanks should not be best dmg dealers shoting for 100-140 and getting hit for 60-90...

The point is that pancor is not unique in any way now, the knockback is not reliable (things that are not reliable make you dead) and xl70e3 does same dmg (even with spread) and has higher range and can onehex players.

Pancor with decent, but not overpowered dmg and without knockback is less effective than XL.

Pancor still does more damage on range shots than XL. Same chars as with pancor.

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Pancor got better dmg + chance for knockback while XL got better range and can 1 hex (which btw. doesn't mean you will get 100% kill if you 1hex).
Additionaly pancor base dmg range is 8 (22-30) while for XL it's 20 (20-40) which means that pancor dmg is more consistent and reliable than this of xl where you can hit one for 90 and next one for 50.

The exception is Gatling - which is incomparable to any other weapon, it deals 300 dmg and you can burst two times (-ap ones, because of lockers, are really common now!). It was okay when Gatling was a very rare weapon - now it's not. Well, to be honest, every previously rare item is pretty popular now (lockers are to powerful - every noob can get their HPA).

Gatling's dmg 49-99 makes it hit around 200 ok, but at the same time you can hit for 40 in next shot (bad dmg roll, no crit, 1 bullet miss).
Somehow I only saw like 2-3 -ap gatlings in game so far. Rest will probably stay forever as tent decorations. Also this very common APA armors got realy great laser resists.

[BB.]

As I said, Pancor still does some decent dmg. Ok, it's more consistent than XL's but overally considering slight chance on knockback, XL's better range and onehex advantage I still think that XL is on top now.

Gatling's dmg 49-99 makes it hit around 200 ok, but at the same time you can hit for 40 in next shot (bad dmg roll, no crit, 1 bullet miss).
Somehow I only saw like 2-3 -ap gatlings in game so far. Rest will probably stay forever as tent decorations. Also this very common APA armors got realy great laser resists.

I've never seen any PvP character hitting for 40 with gatling.

About the rare gear - giving everybody Gatling and PA set doesn't solve the problem.
To be more valid, two days ago I've found two Gatlings in an encounter locker, yestarday Unique Gatling and Advanced Bridgekeeper's Robe in one WH locker and overally (in last month) a lot of stuff like Unique NCR Ranger Combats or Unique Pulse Pistol, 3 PAs and HPA set. I was on bluesuit mostly. And yes, they will stay as a tent decoration.

[DocAN]

I think...
X have Y dmg...
Player will this or that...

I love to read some "paper" magic

Only one wizard showed some "true magic" and its mojuk. Thanks for that, it shows that Pancor have its place on both  battle fileds,  PvP and PvE

[caper]

I remember a thread where oldtime pvp'ers whined about newer players not pvping enough. Pancor was the poor man's entrance ticket - not as good as the megaweapons, but it could hold it's own. And it's possible to replenish after death  even without a huuge stash. Looks like it's all owned by the implant-loaded top tier gun users 100% again? Imho, nerfing pancor adds another advantage to oldtimers with plenty ubergear reserves and fucks up pvp entrance for newer players in yet another area. Unless the purpose is to have oldtimers always win, this might not be the best choice of nerf.
You >do< want players to have a chance more or less when battling the oldtimers right? Or is the 'skill' factor not enough, they're supposed to own it all - all the time?

Just wondering why this nerf was accompanied by a +10 to crit table on the already quite powerful TP rifle? And why no nerf to gatling laser? The oldtimer whiners got through?

Heck I'll go try it out see what happens, maybe pay for a reroll on one of my other toons. This all does seem to cater to the the rich hoarders more than it opens pvp for the newer players - these kinds of changes would be fun after a wipe tho ^

[Furior]

I still use pancor, stop whinning about things you dont know. And turbo plasma rifle.... Have u ever seen some using it in pvp (real time, not that shitty tb) ? Ive just seen a couple of guys using turbo plasma rifle, if it were OP more people would use it. Noobs are paranoid about implants, btw. There arent so many implants, and they are not so good, make proper build and you will have chances of beating 1 implanted character.

[caper]

I still use pancor, stop whinning about things you dont know. And turbo plasma rifle.... Have u ever seen some using it in pvp (real time, not that shitty tb) ? Ive just seen a couple of guys using turbo plasma rifle, if it were OP more people would use it. Noobs are paranoid about implants, btw. There arent so many implants, and they are not so good, make proper build and you will have chances of beating 1 implanted character.

so u using pancor makes all my arguments void? heh...also, there are plenty implants around, the chests spit em out way too much -  they're just hoarded by certain factions. The core of my post deals with newbers and access to pvp. Hard enough to get people in there.

[Furior]

If u want to do some pvp, get good build and good gear. Thats all. You will get the skill fighting. Reno, warehouse now its often empty. Get a couple of friend, get CA mkII and -ap weapons and try some pvp.

[mojuk]

Pancor was the poor man's entrance ticket - not as good as the megaweapons, but it could hold it's own.

Oh really? It was megaweapon before this nerf and every other weapon was weaker than pancor.
Server pvp turned into pancor wars and many new players got use to owning people with 2-3 shots from magic rifle. I bet it must have been fun "Yatta! I clicked him twice realy fast and he died! Yay!" that's why there is so much complaining about this nerf because playing pancor requires now good build and some thinking.

And it's possible to replenish after death  even without a huuge stash. Looks like it's all owned by the implant-loaded top tier gun users 100% again?

Depending on location, enemies and your own team those are weapons that are used by EVERYBODY taking part in TC or other PvP activities:

Easily crafted:
pancor, xl, p90, sniper rifle, 223 pistol, gradate launcher
laser rifle, plasma rifle
avenger, rocket launcher, lsw

Caves/encounter lockers(?):
alien blaster, pulse pistol, turbo plasma rifle

So don't tell me that if you can buy/craft pancor you suddenly can't do same when it comes to other weapons? All crafted ones are easily accessible for newcomers and this gear is not even close to being ubergear reserved for oldtimers and hardcore pvp apes and inaccessible for new players. And as for weapons you can get from caves, ques what, many experienced players but those weapons from new players that enjoy locker and cave hunting.

As for gatling laser, it's strong ok, but it has many drawbacks for example from not being craftable or huge dmg range between min and max damage it can deal. Also farming gatlings is not as hard as it seams, you can do that easily in group of 2-3 people.

I still use pancor, stop whinning about things you dont know. (..) Noobs are paranoid about implants, btw. There arent so many implants, and they are not so good, make proper build and you will have chances of beating 1 implanted character.

Basically this.

If u want to do some pvp, get good build and good gear. Thats all. You will get the skill fighting. Reno, warehouse now its often empty. Get a couple of friend, get CA mkII and -ap weapons and try some pvp.

And this.

Many pvp players still use pancors because it's still a good weapon. It's just now you need good build for it and know how to play it not just stand like turret and click on enemy.