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FOnline Reloaded RANT
« on: October 15, 2017, 06:16:43 pm »

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Re: FOnline Reloaded RANT
« Reply #1 on: October 15, 2017, 06:18:49 pm »
Why this is not in toxic caves yet?

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Re: FOnline Reloaded RANT
« Reply #2 on: October 15, 2017, 06:25:13 pm »
Why this is not in toxic caves yet?

Why would it be? Can't criticize and expect a healthy discussion?

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Re: FOnline Reloaded RANT
« Reply #3 on: October 15, 2017, 06:25:52 pm »
Why this is not in toxic caves yet?

Why would it be? Can't criticize and expect a healthy discussion?

Healthy discussion? HERE?!

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Re: FOnline Reloaded RANT
« Reply #4 on: October 15, 2017, 06:44:14 pm »
accept criticism of your game or the game will die. simple as

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Re: FOnline Reloaded RANT
« Reply #5 on: October 15, 2017, 06:46:07 pm »
Why this is not in toxic caves yet?

Maybe because its just a personal opinion about things goin on reloaded rn.
Well not personal, more what atleast 50% of people here are arguin about.


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Re: FOnline Reloaded RANT
« Reply #6 on: October 15, 2017, 06:48:15 pm »
Also, almost everyone agrees with mengalito's idea's and criticisms. like he said hawks AA FS and most factions have completely identical ideals.

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Re: FOnline Reloaded RANT
« Reply #7 on: October 15, 2017, 07:12:34 pm »
Why this is not in toxic caves yet?

Why do you think this belongs to toxic caves?

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Re: FOnline Reloaded RANT
« Reply #8 on: October 15, 2017, 08:40:19 pm »
It doenst belong to Toxic Caves, Perteks knows that too...
This way this game is headin too, many guys will leave definitly..

Not only us.. Almost every other PVP Apes and facs...
And pls dont come again with "Meh then dont play this game anymore" etc.

Reloaded had(has) got the potential.. but not with this season 3 changelog atm.
« Last Edit: October 15, 2017, 08:43:49 pm by Hauti »

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Re: FOnline Reloaded RANT
« Reply #9 on: October 15, 2017, 09:02:10 pm »
This way this game is headin too, many guys will leave definitly..
Some others will come to see what's the crack. The initial hype of "Fallout online zomfg!!111" is already gone with 2009 and the early days of FOnline as such.

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Re: FOnline Reloaded RANT
« Reply #10 on: October 15, 2017, 09:06:10 pm »
This way this game is headin too, many guys will leave definitly..
Some others will come to see what's the crack. The initial hype of "Fallout online zomfg!!111" is already gone with 2009 and the early days of FOnline as such.

The pve crowd better start bringing people here and donating then, generally for pve/rp servers the numbers are between 0-20 people online as far as I know.
« Last Edit: October 15, 2017, 09:07:55 pm by Dr. Mengelito »

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Re: FOnline Reloaded RANT
« Reply #11 on: October 15, 2017, 09:47:16 pm »
Interesting video..

I have a a lot of similar opinions in my mind but i never went with them into public. Personally i always try to stay at least neutral and avoid posting negative feedback because it usually doesn't lead anywhere and ends in toxic caves. Instead this time i will choose different approach and i will be very open even though it will be bad. Watching how Reloaded is kinda going to hell is really demotivating and maybe its time to finally speak.

When it comes to no-loot how it all begun was that PMs was sent to some of experienced players asking what they think about disabling loot in PvP. Even though i present like i support idea of no drop, i never really liked it. But as i said, i prefer to stay positive. We discussed a lot of other changes that will need to be applied if no loot would be a real thing. For example faster deteriorating gear, deteriorating motion sensor, nerfing repair so you can't repair same item with super tool kit 20 times and use it almost forever. In that case "no loot drops means no repeated PvE" would not be a case. But none of these changes was implemented into game so no loot system ended up being complete fail. Basically we got asked what we think about it but no one really cared about our opinions at the end and it was implemented own way.
 How i understood no loot was :
-If you win - your reward is loot from TC (which i expected to have some value)
-If you die - your gear gets damaged a lot so you cant use it anymore after few deaths
So you was still supposed to gain something if you win and lose something if you die. That is not reality though because TC reward is completely worthless and if you die then you can come again in same gear like 20 times before its unusable. Basically no lose - no gain.
Kilgore was always saying that if it won't work, he will revert no drop so my opinion was always to give it a try and if it wont work it can be reverted and everything will be fine. Suddenly after wipe Kilgore changed his opinion and does refuse to revert this change even though its obviously not good for game.
There are a lot of players saying that they don't care about no loot because they play PvP for fun and not for loot which is complete bullshit. I was one of richest players in past so i never really cared about loot but at same time loot always played very big role in PvP.. "Playing PvP without loot is like playing Poker without money". Its just not the same.

Many players hated that they had to stay in towns and do nothing and rather asked to be poked only if enemies appear and what they get instead is no timer so now they are supposed to stay in town forever instead of only 10-15 minutes. What kind of game design is it when you have to stay inside of town and do absolutely nothing just be AFK until enemies appear ? Supporting afk type of gameplay is very bad. Before we had a certain time frame and we were prepared for those 10-15 minutes. Why should teams even fight each other when they cant even win anything and instead they can sit in different towns afk and both get profit ? TC wasnt touched for long time since 2238 and i think it was fine as it was. Don't fix what is not broken.
Apparently idea was to add some kind of roleplay of actually controlling the town and motivating players to come and trade and interact with players but that will never ever work. Not with this amount of players online at least.

Another thing is that town control should not be the only place to PvP. Most dominant faction will win and there is no space for PvP for small groups of players. For example before wipe we had New Reno where we could PvP 24/7. Now we don't. Only thing you can do as a small group of players is to start TC timer and get destroyed by big factions. We asked to add more of such locations but what we got instead is completely opposite. Even NR is gone.

I have spent around hundred hours messing with farm and giving ideas how to balance it. Its idea is in general not fitting into MMORPG like this. You invest a lot of caps and you get almost nothing at beginning but profit you can make from it is supposed to scale with resources and time you put into it. At same time it needs to have a cap that is not too small to make sure its worth to put there those resources but also not too big so it cant be abused for infinite source of exp/caps. It was alright at that time. Later a lot of changes was made to farm and it seems like no body bothered checking them and see what we have now.. Completely broken economy.. Not to mention other exploits which also affected economy but was fixed already..

I am also tired of listening how PvP players are only minority. If i play PvE or PvP it should never matter, we should be all equal. On other side it is true in some way that pvp players are minority, yes. Look at players online and compare it to how many players are participating in PvP. In TC fights you have lets say maybe 30 players participating even when there are 150+- online. But PvP players are those same old faces which we see every day. They play this game for years. They are those who are donating and supporting the game. All we get is saying that we "cry" on forum. But what is reason why we "cry" ? Its because when some changes are made then they usually affect PvP much more then PvE. In PvE you wont care if for example your weapon deals 5 damage more or less while in PvP it can break balance. That was only example. PvP players are also in general more experienced players so their feedback on forum is also usually more valuable. Most of PvE players either leave or after some time they turn into PvP players once they explore all PvE content.

Hexing removal is good and bad at same time. I am curious why we didn't get any explanation or reasoning behind it but whatever..
It removed skill part when it comes to close range fights but most of real fights was happening at range anyways.
On one side it helps new players understand the game and not getting instantly killed by 1 hex. Another issue with hexing was that more and more players was starting to use various 3rd party software which helped them with hexing as was mentioned in video.
But wouldn't it be just better to keep eye on usage of such things and fix motion sensor glitch instead of going for more lazy solution like removing one-hex completely so there is no need to bother with it at all ?
Did anyone even realized how many players left server only because of that one change. I personally don't like hexing so i don't mind but there are players that would do 1v1 hexing fights in Hinkley all day long. There was one guy that played Reloaded since its first day and when wipe came he sent me PM asking about build advice on other server. He decided to leave Reloaded because of no hexing.
One feature will make some players leave, other feature some other players and suddenly half of players are out..

When i logged into this for first time, my first impression was "walls of text everywhere". People want simple quests and not being spammed by walls of texts. Not everyone likes reading that much, some players prefer to simply get objective and complete it instead of reading whole stories. And when that one important sentence is hidden in tons of lines of text than there is something wrong.
As was said, there is no point doing any of those new quests now. Since quests which was too good was nerfed then there should also be some others which are currently not worth buffed. When you spend 30 minutes doing some quest and you get 800 experience as reward its like someone would laugh into your face.
I am disappointed when after giving a lot of feedback i realize that most of things reported was ignored and even some exploits made it to live server..

Statistics can prove the same. This month there was only 90 players online in average ! That is really low considering we are at 2nd month after wipe. Before wipe in August 2017 it was 81, in July 2017 it was 83 and in June 2017 it was 92 ! Even 3 months before wipe when season was already going for over 2 years there was more players online then now one month after wipe when season is supposed to be very alive and fresh. That proves that there is obviously something wrong and i hope to see some changes soon..
« Last Edit: October 15, 2017, 11:27:01 pm by Seki »

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Re: FOnline Reloaded RANT
« Reply #12 on: October 15, 2017, 10:37:14 pm »
You are wasting your time. Just adapt or find a game that suits your needs.

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Re: FOnline Reloaded RANT
« Reply #13 on: October 15, 2017, 11:20:10 pm »
Seki and Meng both hit the nail right on the head with all their points and it's a shame people seem so eager to brush off valid constructive criticism of this game.

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Re: FOnline Reloaded RANT
« Reply #14 on: October 16, 2017, 12:14:10 am »
Well, Seki brought here few new things and at least made his opinion clear to anyone. Even though I really like this session, I need to admit he's right at least with few things like those 800exp for quests plus bunch of useless shotguns, hunting rifles etc as loot from dead NPCs.
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