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3.14

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Re: Bg vs SG
« Reply #15 on: September 26, 2013, 03:00:38 pm »
1st-SG doesnt require as much strength as BG, so you can save that Special points and use it in other stat.
Why? You can use a Minigun just as well with 2 or 10 strength, you just need to kill a few more alien/centaurs/floaters/deathclaws to boost the skill over 200.

Let's see.. what do you need to make a big gunner?
BRDx2
MRD
BRofF
(Action Boy or drugs if you want to)
What do you need to make a small gun burster?
BRDx2
MRD
BRofF
(Action Boy or drugs if you want to)
Why one of these should be better at 'tanking'? I really fail to grasp that concept.

Taking away running from biggunners seems a good balancing idea... except is so DAMN ANNOYING! So please don't.

Big guns should have more firepower and even range over smaller guns, but they should not be simply better in all possible ways.
Maybe something could be made to make a crit-hit-sg-burster build viable? A chance to cripple a random limb with a burst and a -50 on the critical hit table for all big guns in burst mode? I don't know, haven't see a good idea, wouldn't call my idea 'good' anyway... just thinking aloud. 

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Re: Bg vs SG
« Reply #16 on: September 26, 2013, 03:05:21 pm »
16-19(1/3 # of bullets that can hit at greater than 1 hex)(2/3 (ap ammo mod)(1-.(.40+.15-.35) (.4 from camk2 .15 from toughness/even tougher -.35 from ap ammo))(.95 chance to hit)(40 shots in a burst)

the 16-19 damage is the 13-16 base with +4 from BRD and +3 from MRD then -4 from toughness/tougher and armor DT after ap mod.

Damage formula per bullet is a bit different:
( [ (weapon damage + brd) * dmg mod] - DT) * DR

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SO take the average of the damage ranges
(108+128)/2= 118 damage for a big gun per burst
(55+103)/2= 67 damage a burst per small gun

so you get:
ave: (109 - 131) /2 = 120
xl: (57 - 107) /2 = 82
so ap ratio is 120/6 = 20 and 82/5 = 16,4

also (55+103)/2 = 79 not 67 :P
so later it should be: 118/6=19.67 for BG and 79/5=15.8 not 118/6=19.66 for BG and 67/5=13.4.

Now walk with me while I take you on a learning adventure.
A reasonable person might ask, "well if only 1/3 of the bullets are hitting, what happens when the total number of shots fired isn't evenly divided by 3?"
I'm 99% sure avenger burst is rounded to 14 bullets. Also XL got 15 not 12 bullets burst.
:facepalm

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Re: Bg vs SG
« Reply #17 on: September 26, 2013, 03:13:15 pm »
16-19(1/3 # of bullets that can hit at greater than 1 hex)(2/3 (ap ammo mod)(1-.(.40+.15-.35) (.4 from camk2 .15 from toughness/even tougher -.35 from ap ammo))(.95 chance to hit)(40 shots in a burst)

the 16-19 damage is the 13-16 base with +4 from BRD and +3 from MRD then -4 from toughness/tougher and armor DT after ap mod.

Damage formula per bullet is a bit different:
( [ (weapon damage + brd) * dmg mod] - DT) * DR

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SO take the average of the damage ranges
(108+128)/2= 118 damage for a big gun per burst
(55+103)/2= 67 damage a burst per small gun

so you get:
ave: (109 - 131) /2 = 120
xl: (57 - 107) /2 = 82
so ap ratio is 120/6 = 20 and 82/5 = 16,4

also (55+103)/2 = 79 not 67 :P
so later it should be: 118/6=19.67 for BG and 79/5=15.8 not 118/6=19.66 for BG and 67/5=13.4.

Now walk with me while I take you on a learning adventure.
A reasonable person might ask, "well if only 1/3 of the bullets are hitting, what happens when the total number of shots fired isn't evenly divided by 3?"
I'm 99% sure avenger burst is rounded to 14 bullets. Also XL got 15 not 12 bullets burst.

ahh you're right. I was multiplying the DT and DR in wrong spots. I was using the wiki for the information on bursts, because I'm on my laptop. The wiki is clearly wrong.

Thank you for the correction. I thought the damages seemed a little low. You get a similar result however.
a nearly 50% damage advantage for 1 more AP.
« Last Edit: September 26, 2013, 03:27:27 pm by Lackey »

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Re: Bg vs SG
« Reply #18 on: September 26, 2013, 05:40:41 pm »
Oh yeah theory with wrong number fuck yea thats the math :)

BTW wiki can have sometimes outdated information like that p90 is 15-25 now gonna change that right now. Thanks for "reporting" it

BRD is not always best choice for sg ;) More practice less theory dude

Right now its balanced well
« Last Edit: September 26, 2013, 05:45:11 pm by Perteks »

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« Reply #19 on: September 26, 2013, 05:57:20 pm »
Oh yeah theory with wrong number fuck yea thats the math :)

BTW wiki can have sometimes outdated information like that p90 is 15-25 now gonna change that right now. Thanks for "reporting" it

BRD is not always best choice for sg ;) More practice less theory dude

Right now its balanced well

You are such a goddamn moron. Please don't breed.

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« Reply #20 on: September 26, 2013, 06:06:27 pm »
Wow that hypocrisy of highest degree.
Stop writing bullshit, first test this ingame before you write absurds :)

Lackey

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« Reply #21 on: September 26, 2013, 06:10:28 pm »
Wow that hypocrisy of highest degree.
Stop writing bullshit, first test this ingame before you write absurds :)
I do you dipshit. Go test it for yourself. The numbers are accurate.

You write things as if you have some air of superiority. When in reality you are no better than Kill n Die. I doubt you even design your characters yourself. Likely handed down from other, better faction members. You are nothing but a peon, a body that is there and controlled by the more functional members of your faction. It would do you well to know your place.

I have, and always do wreck you in game. Keep an eye out for me next time so you recognize it, Optical Prime, or Negro League.
« Last Edit: September 26, 2013, 06:12:50 pm by Lackey »

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Re: Bg vs SG
« Reply #22 on: September 26, 2013, 06:13:02 pm »
Sadly noobs from your league probably don't do TC :(

Lackey

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Re: Bg vs SG
« Reply #23 on: September 26, 2013, 06:27:41 pm »
Sadly noobs from your league probably don't do TC :(

You might want to check again, I'm one of the founding members of ARWH. You know that faction that you avoid doing PvP against.

Let me explain why we are better than you. You see, you have the privilege of playing a game that is in a language you speak. The phrase "wastelands are harsh" is accurate, but imagine it as we went through it. Feeling around in the dark because the wiki wasn't in english, the very dialogue in the game wasn't in english. Yet we were still able to compete.

We tested things to see how they worked, we had to figure things out ourselves. And a few: Cirn0, Mars Sultan, and Nark even delved into the code to try and better understand the game. I'm sure you will come to recognize those names more in the future.

We built our own greatness from the ground up, as apposed to you who tries to cling on to it via proxy. Its pathetic really. Anyone of worth can tell other decent players when they see them. A few members of TTTLA are pretty good, DocAN and Kilgore from BBS and as much as I hate to admit it T888 and some of the original SoT are great at the game. You on the other hand, you're nothing.

You should count yourself lucky that we are different timezones, as to limit your interaction with us.
« Last Edit: September 26, 2013, 06:29:17 pm by Lackey »

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Re: Bg vs SG
« Reply #24 on: September 26, 2013, 06:28:28 pm »
Walking with avenger or bazooka annoying? wtf! just click b and run with a super stim or lsw/bozar In a fight you will run away from minigun, click b and then burst or if you don't run before burst there is a chance you will live with 1/3 hp annd in that time you will click b and burst so stop whining about walking with bg coz this will be better for in game balance... imagine running with a fuckin loaded bazooka oO shit isn't real and its inlogic

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Re: Bg vs SG
« Reply #25 on: September 26, 2013, 06:29:13 pm »
Griffin it work for both weapon slots.

Lol amount of bullshit by lackey is funny :D

Gregor Griffin

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Re: Bg vs SG
« Reply #26 on: September 26, 2013, 06:31:29 pm »
Ok my bad, never had a chance to have m60... the avenger is way better xP