Post by: shaila on January 27, 2015, 03:41:43 pm
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(http://zcnet.22web.org/fo2/barrett_82a1_5.gif)
An old military sniper model M82A1 Barret. This version was modified to shoot 14mm caliber bullets since .50 became a thing of the past. However, this weapon has a low clip size.
Weight: 5129 grams
Dmg: 25-50
Attack: Single
Range: 43 hexes
Action Points: 6
Min ST: 5
Perk: Penetrate
Magazine: 4
Ammo: 14mm
It can be a BG sniper but theres the LSW already, so small gun! but then theres the sniper rifle but this lacks range but for penetrate perk and more dmg.
Picture came from this dude but we need something with 14mm, since 14mm Pistol is too weak and lacks range in PvP. I was gonna ask sperber to see if he can whoop up anything looking like sniper with 14mm caliber but ehh I forgot
http://www.nma-fallout.com/showthread.php?198021-M82A1-Barrett-mod-for-Fallout2-RP-2-1-2b
and i think: yes, there is a reason for add other sniper rifle.
actual sniper rifle its a really crap to shoot everyone for example:
Spoiler: show
i remember this fight and was a random lucky effect the ko, he was wearing a bozar so a burst from 40 hexes can b killed me without any problem and i shoot 1 times to the arms (5ap in that case, same as bozar burst both characters with brof i guess) and do 6 damage. more examples like that have thousands, snipers players will now that (not plasma tankers, aren the same)
so we have this one in ew:
(http://www.fonline-reloaded.net/wiki/images/e/eb/Lrifle.gif)
A Wattz 2000 Laser Rifle. Uses micro fusion cells for more powerful lasers, and an extended barrel for additional range.
Damage 50 - 60
Single AP: 5, Range: 45
Damage type Laser
Ammo Micro Fusion Cells
Ammo capacity 12 (expanded to 24)
its good, have good damage (bypass the perks toughnes and eventougher) but most of armors used in pvp have good laser dr/th and the ammo lacks of any dr or dm profit.
in bg we have this one:
(http://www.fonline-reloaded.net/wiki/images/8/89/Lightsup.gif)
Damage 22 - 37
Single AP: 5, Range: 45
Burst AP: 6, Range: 35, Rounds: 5
Ammo .223 FMJ
Ammo capacity 30
have good ammo capacity and good ammo too but lacks damage and there isnt a good choice for sniper cause lacks range to stay enough far away from regulars bursts (gatling burst 40 hex, lsw 35, evenger 30, etc all regular weapons nothing t4 like bozar or vindicator)
and finally:
(http://www.fonline-reloaded.net/wiki/index.php?title=File:Sniper.gif)
A DKS-501 Sniper Rifle. Excellent long range projectile weapon. Originally .308, this one is chambered in the more common .223 caliber.
Damage 20 - 40
Single AP: 5, Range: 50
Ammo .223 FMJ
Ammo capacity 6
the only good thing its that 50 range. it sucks, 6 ammo capacity? only 3 more than a grenade launcher? initial damage outpot from 20? same as combat shot gun or a xl (both have better ammo and combat shotgun has penetrate perk). so its pretty low the damage u can do with a sniper rifle, if u dont do a single ko u are a dead player.
so my point here is snipers (true snipers, long range and normal damage) need a better weapon to use (no a gauss or bozar cause they are rare) and thats why im asking to re think this 14mm sniper. i suggest :
(http://zcnet.22web.org/fo2/barrett_82a1_5.gif)
An old military sniper model M82A1 Barret. This version was modified to shoot 14mm caliber bullets since .50 became a thing of the past.
Weight: 5129 grams
Dmg: 27-50
Attack: Single
Range: 50 hexes
Action Points: 6
Min ST: 5
Perk: Penetrate
Magazine: 10
Ammo: 14mm
cant run when its equipped in any hand (same as m60), gives -90 sneak penalty when u have it in the inventory, 5 str its ok, will drop the chance to hit from 50 hex with 1 str sniper but it will be ok.
Post by: Crazeddoctor on January 27, 2015, 09:56:54 pm
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To me that shouldnt even be a part of any gun, as it practically makes the gun useless for pvp as you'll get 1 hexed and makes it good for PvE only then.
Post by: Styles on January 27, 2015, 10:43:39 pm
14mm to my understanding is bigger then .50 cal? But yeah if the stuff from Tactics "is to over powered" then go with 14mm.
Post by: Crazeddoctor on January 27, 2015, 10:56:40 pm
14mm to my understanding is bigger then .50 cal?
yeah, .50 is 12.7mm I believe
Edit: on second thought i looked up too see if a 14mm sniper existed.... heres what i found http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2012/06/27/14-9mm-sop-rifle-cartridge/
mind you, a "Cannon" is labeled as 15mm or more.... this thing is a rifle at 14.9 so yeah, make it a 10 strength requirement (maybe 9 ) or if you have less than required then you have to walk with it
Post by: Styles on January 27, 2015, 11:05:57 pm
I am just going on about it because I would really enjoy the .50cal from Tactics.
But yeah I support the suggestion of the 14mm sniper rifle.
Post by: Troll on January 27, 2015, 11:33:49 pm
Another idee I had, is decreasing the crit damage multiplier while increasing base damage.
So you would have better damage when shooting someone non crit, and a bit better damage when criting.
I like the idee of an enhanced sniper rifle thaugh.
Post by: Wind_Drift on January 28, 2015, 01:20:22 am
Doing some reading. NATO .50 caliber isn't quite the same as a 12.7mm. BMG .50 caliber is 12.7mmx99 NATO, while a 12.7mm is 12.7x108mm but I can see how that's just splitting hairs.
I am just going on about it because I would really enjoy the .50cal from Tactics.
But yeah I support the suggestion of the 14mm sniper rifle.
12.7 is the diameter of the bullet itself, while the x99/x108 is the case length.
I'll +1 the suggestion simply because I like playing snipers, and I always vote in my own interest.
:D
Post by: Styles on January 28, 2015, 01:27:49 am
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12.7 is the diameter of the bullet itself, while the x99/x108 is the case length.
I am aware of that. The bullet is the same size but the casing is different. Which is the part about splitting hairs. It's a game, we don't need to get super technical. But still we could :P
More bullets and guns the better IMO.
Post by: shaila on January 28, 2015, 01:42:01 pm
It would add a second weapon that uses that ammo.
Another idee I had, is decreasing the crit damage multiplier while increasing base damage.
So you would have better damage when shooting someone non crit, and a bit better damage when criting.
I like the idee of an enhanced sniper rifle thaugh.
its ok to use the 14mm ammo cause in the game have a pair or more weapons share 1 type of ammo. but 14mm pistol its to miser and dont share it with no one. about the increase the base damage and decrease the crit roll then should be a 50-55 damage and only 3 roll? i guess that is a bad idea. also about crafting it needs a 14mm pistol and some hq alloys(maybe 1) hq metal part(maybe 2) and wood (for sure 1). and maybe its a bad idea to disable run when u are wearing it, so first lets try out it with run enabled until the wipe and then we see (?() haha, i dont think kilgore like this thread cause was a closed suggestion :(
Post by: Johnny on January 28, 2015, 02:32:56 pm
if u dont do a single ko u are a dead player.
Thats what need to be changed, adding a new weapon why not but its the whole damage output of snipers that need to be changed.
Ko or nothing is completly boring and not fun either for snipers and for their target.
Bypass and ko are very strong in this server already, the problem is the crit table that rolls nothing or big retarded rolls.
As for tanks they will probably be changed so i just hope snipers will too.
Best thing you can do is praying for tesla helmets when you bring sniper or combat helmet when you bring energy :P
Thats why you need a reco before entering you cant really fight on your own with a sniper its a support class.
This problem could be solved with the deletion of the helmets.
Back to the topic: damage 20-50 :o why so random?
Post by: Troll on January 28, 2015, 05:10:48 pm
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This problem could be solved with the deletion of the helmets.
I agree, helmets were nice feature, but the resulting damage is dumb: extreme or almost nothing
with energy on tesla and almost same with ca+SG.
Maybe they should be reworked, deleted is a bit extreme. Shooting a tesla helmet with a turbo plasma is even better than CA helmet because of that retarded bypass rate.
for a SG sniper, bonehead is a pain in the ass, it's just too powerfull for a trait. And since there is no lvl cap, -1 INT is a cheap price to pay.
With a sniper rifle, you can crit a tank for 50 damage, yeah!!! Noway you get KO or KD because of stonewall.
Post by: F O R M A L D E H Y D E on January 28, 2015, 06:54:29 pm
lol
Post by: Help Bot on February 02, 2015, 04:30:36 pm
On a quick shot build it'd be 3 AP a shot so 4 shots in TB a turn for 100-200 damage.
Reasonable IMO. As is...but it'd seem to just be a slight upgrade. Snipers still seem gimped compared to BG's.
Though TBH this problem could be fixed if we increased the AP for Plasma rifles and their range too.
That way we wouldn't be having 20 Turbo shots, nor would we have snipers being worthless being crit or bust.
If I recall not many things aside from Tesla block Plasma, and Tesla doesn't block normal damage.
Even then, I'd still like this idea it'd give a reason to make 14mm rounds or to scav them.
If anything I think this sniper rifle should do 75-125 damage. Sniper rifles IRL are designed to destroy tanks or decimate heads like watermelons. A crit from an Anti material sniper rifle to the head should kill anything even in PA cause come on IRL your head would be off. The can crushed, and the car behind you on fire.
Snipers aren't fast, nor should aiming them. 9-10 AP wouldn't be unreasonable I think especially if the gun has a very good chance to insta gib like what heavy weapons do.
---Random Musing----
Crit or Bust is fine IMO, just that the Crit shouldn't be 10 Crits. Especially with so many tanking perks. I think the game would be more fun without any tanking perks. It'd change how things play out and maybe more players would be here.
Alternatively Snipers could just be hidden unless the person being shot passes a sneak check (Takes a sneaker to find one right? IRL) If under a certain weight(when moving or shooting). Armor be darned Cause ghile suits are IRL things too. Of course if there's a weight check involved you probably won't be some space marine and hidden.
With all the perks we gotta give a sniper a chance to offload 10-20 rounds after all. The Tanks will be fine. Balance Balance. If everything is tank or bust there's no need to have any skills at all. Just have everyone be level 24 same stats, and bam utopia Anything else would stink anyway eh?
It'd be nice if a sneaker at 300 sneak will also be seen by anyone (hidden from teammates too might already be the case) at 1 tile = 1 perception, If Stealth Boy'd then they'll show on motion sensors cause the stealth boy emits a field which moves around the target otherwise due to stealth boy rarity the sniper will be always hidden unless firing, upon firing the stealth boy should be auto turned off (The kick from the rifle being enough to distort the field to the point it over charges, and resets the device like a circuit braker), hopefully long enough for a close perceptive/experienced in the art of stealth BG to unload. Or blind fire, such blind fire during WWI downed a plane after all.
If a sniper is stationary I don't think weight should be considered only when shooting or moving, as weight means sound and sound means perception can see. This way the sniper will most likely always be hidden and have a chance to get a shot off at least. Why shouldn't the hidden camper always get the first shot?
Snipers IRL and in games should be campers. They dominate games for a reason. In most of the games I've played snipers are anti tank weapons. Out ranged, and enough damage to ruin a tank's momentum.
It'd be cool if Guns were divided between Rifles and Automatics. With any single shot weapon's accuracy being determined by the rifles skill, while any burst fire with Small guns being determined by Automatics.
Auto firing a shotgun isn't the same as aiming a sniper scope.
Post by: Wind_Drift on February 02, 2015, 05:22:58 pm
Post by: Kaaon on February 02, 2015, 05:40:34 pm
Can we get a facepalm smiley for the forum?+1
Post by: Troll on February 02, 2015, 06:28:02 pm
I think the gameplay need some improvements, like lowered average DR and some reworked crits/helmets, a better sniper rifle (maybe more armor piercing but lower damage, like 14 mm pistol vs .223) and it would be fine.
Post by: Wind_Drift on February 02, 2015, 07:06:05 pm
You don't get it Help Bot, it's not about having something realistic, it's about game balance. Snipers are fine, a bit random, but fine. It's just that it lacks of damage in comparison of other weapons, that's why the idee of a better sniper rifle. If you want to blow heads off in a single shot go play Counter strike or Insurgency. This is RP game, and thus non realistic.
I think the gameplay need some improvements, like lowered average DR and some reworked crits/helmets, a better sniper rifle (maybe more armor piercing but lower damage, like 14 mm pistol vs .223) and it would be fine.
More consistent damage would be nice, but current crit table isn't favorable to higher damage single shot weapons. Any new weapon added will suffer the same problems, either the majority of the damage roll will be absorbed by DT/DR, and it will do very low damage, or it will bypass and deal way too much damage.
Post by: Kilgore on February 02, 2015, 07:58:55 pm
Can we get a facepalm smiley for the forum?
Done.
:facepalm
Post by: Wind_Drift on February 02, 2015, 08:05:31 pm
Making snipers more than multiple crit or bust?
On a quick shot build it'd be 3 AP a shot so 4 shots in TB a turn for 100-200 damage.
Reasonable IMO. As is...but it'd seem to just be a slight upgrade. Snipers still seem gimped compared to BG's.
Though TBH this problem could be fixed if we increased the AP for Plasma rifles and their range too.
That way we wouldn't be having 20 Turbo shots, nor would we have snipers being worthless being crit or bust.
If I recall not many things aside from Tesla block Plasma, and Tesla doesn't block normal damage.
Even then, I'd still like this idea it'd give a reason to make 14mm rounds or to scav them.
If anything I think this sniper rifle should do 75-125 damage. Sniper rifles IRL are designed to destroy tanks or decimate heads like watermelons. A crit from an Anti material sniper rifle to the head should kill anything even in PA cause come on IRL your head would be off. The can crushed, and the car behind you on fire.
Snipers aren't fast, nor should aiming them. 9-10 AP wouldn't be unreasonable I think especially if the gun has a very good chance to insta gib like what heavy weapons do.
---Random Musing----
Crit or Bust is fine IMO, just that the Crit shouldn't be 10 Crits. Especially with so many tanking perks. I think the game would be more fun without any tanking perks. It'd change how things play out and maybe more players would be here.
Alternatively Snipers could just be hidden unless the person being shot passes a sneak check (Takes a sneaker to find one right? IRL) If under a certain weight(when moving or shooting). Armor be darned Cause ghile suits are IRL things too. Of course if there's a weight check involved you probably won't be some space marine and hidden.
With all the perks we gotta give a sniper a chance to offload 10-20 rounds after all. The Tanks will be fine. Balance Balance. If everything is tank or bust there's no need to have any skills at all. Just have everyone be level 24 same stats, and bam utopia Anything else would stink anyway eh?
It'd be nice if a sneaker at 300 sneak will also be seen by anyone (hidden from teammates too might already be the case) at 1 tile = 1 perception, If Stealth Boy'd then they'll show on motion sensors cause the stealth boy emits a field which moves around the target otherwise due to stealth boy rarity the sniper will be always hidden unless firing, upon firing the stealth boy should be auto turned off (The kick from the rifle being enough to distort the field to the point it over charges, and resets the device like a circuit braker), hopefully long enough for a close perceptive/experienced in the art of stealth BG to unload. Or blind fire, such blind fire during WWI downed a plane after all.
If a sniper is stationary I don't think weight should be considered only when shooting or moving, as weight means sound and sound means perception can see. This way the sniper will most likely always be hidden and have a chance to get a shot off at least. Why shouldn't the hidden camper always get the first shot?
Snipers IRL and in games should be campers. They dominate games for a reason. In most of the games I've played snipers are anti tank weapons. Out ranged, and enough damage to ruin a tank's momentum.
It'd be cool if Guns were divided between Rifles and Automatics. With any single shot weapon's accuracy being determined by the rifles skill, while any burst fire with Small guns being determined by Automatics.
Auto firing a shotgun isn't the same as aiming a sniper scope.
:facepalm
(Thanks, Kilgore)
Post by: Gimper on February 04, 2015, 11:26:19 pm
Post by: Help Bot on February 06, 2015, 01:35:29 am
Post by: S.T.A.L.K.E.R on February 06, 2015, 01:53:20 am
I suggest it and kilgore just be like, "lol nope" :-X
14mm sniper can be the anti-tank sniper :D
Post by: Blarney on February 06, 2015, 07:06:27 am
But in regards to balance etc, I don't know what role I would prefer such a rifle to fulfill.
It could be interesting if the current sniper rifle was changed to be lower AP cost with a higher armor piercing capability (for quick firing snipers), while the 14mm rifle was high AP cost and higher base damage (for heavy crit based snipers) or vice versa, that way they are different rifles at heart, but their range could stay the same.
Post by: Kaaon on February 06, 2015, 07:59:10 am
It could be interesting if the current sniper rifle was changed to be lower AP cost with a higher armor piercing capabilityim trying to keep back from such " :facepalm topics" but i couldnt resist to ths..
its ammo does have -30 DR its enough to pierce armors, problem with DRs isnt there
AP cost of sniper rifle was already decreased and there is no need to decrease it even more, it would just cause even more KOs etc.. weapons was boosted by more then enough in overall, just browse changelogs during first season
offtopic sry
Post by: Blarney on February 06, 2015, 11:14:55 am
If one was 5 AP per shot and the other 7 AP per shot for example.
Misplaced facepalms, that makes me :facepalm ::)
Post by: Adams on February 06, 2015, 12:26:41 pm
Post by: Ed Wood on February 06, 2015, 03:59:38 pm
Bozar is already sniperlike with burst mod so i do not think there is a need for another sniper rifle! (yeah i fucking know that the bozar is big guns)
Post by: Strike on February 06, 2015, 04:38:50 pm
I do suggest remove no pvp/ no stealing from Hub!Nothing to do with this suggestion :facepalm
Bozar is already sniperlike with burst mod so i do not think there is a need for another sniper rifle! (yeah i fucking know that the bozar is big guns)I agree, no need add another sniper rifle. We have Sniper Rifle, Bozar (+ LSW) and Laser Rifle for SG, BG and EW builds.
Post by: Blarney on February 06, 2015, 07:45:05 pm
I do suggest remove no pvp/ no stealing from Hub!Nothing to do with this suggestion :facepalm
This thread obviously needed more :facepalm
He was just doing his part, we all have to pitch in ;D
Post by: Ed Wood on February 07, 2015, 08:16:47 am
Kilgore can you change the facepalm emot to this? Cheers m8
Post by: S.T.A.L.K.E.R on February 07, 2015, 03:08:20 pm
I do suggest remove no pvp/ no stealing from Hub!Next session you really expect everyone to have bozars in the first couple of weeks?
Bozar is already sniperlike with burst mod so i do not think there is a need for another sniper rifle! (yeah i fucking know that the bozar is big guns)
Post by: Ed Wood on February 09, 2015, 04:18:40 pm
Post by: shaila on February 13, 2015, 10:29:14 pm
(i just want to be popular )
Post by: Ed Wood on February 16, 2015, 04:00:09 pm
:facepalm
(i just want to be popular )
Problem?
Expect stupid answers for stupid questions....
Oh and yeah i see this emotion :facepalm
Got a lot of hipe thes days even ammongst thos who have no quality thoughts...