I vote for no. Its waste of devs time and nothing stops you from having ghost town alike pvp anywhere its not like it was the location what made it fun and interesting.
If we only had "alike pvp anywhere" as you say, so why no one comes ?
Of course it was not because of map. People were going there so much because of free stuff, altruists, outfitters and magic boxes spawning top gear in insane amounts. Even when it was kind of pre wipe madness people were still going there in bluesuits/sneakers just to get loot to tents and make carpets...
I see no problem with making map available again. But big no to free stuff pvp because it's not even close to fun.
If we only had "alike pvp anywhere" as you say, so why no one comes ?
And what makes you think that in ghosttown it would be different? You got magic box in reno or wh,everyone has got characters and
tons of regular stuff and shit. I played during those times thats why im telling you it will never be the same.
I never knew anything about this place - never heard of it until now. Where was this location on the big map? Sounds fun.
Of course it was not because of map. People were going there so much because of free stuff, altruists, outfitters and magic boxes spawning top gear in insane amounts. Even when it was kind of pre wipe madness people were still going there in bluesuits/sneakers just to get loot to tents and make carpets...this/\ , and this \/
I see no problem with making map available again. But big no to free stuff pvp because it's not even close to fun.
That will be next speedrun on bluesuit to the locker and go back to drop shit on stash in tent, before wipe is not needed to open that map, I never been in Gost Town and I can bet it will be awesome PvP location but after wipe =D
If we only had "alike pvp anywhere" as you say, so why no one comes ?
And what makes you think that in ghosttown it would be different? You got magic box in reno or wh,everyone has got characters and
tons of regular stuff and shit. I played during those times thats why im telling you it will never be the same.
If you wanna fight with free gear just go to hinkley,problem solved.
But if this location will be opened now without any gear spawning in lockers, who will go there ? There must be an other reason. And attracting players with stuff is the only way I know. If you have some Ideas share with us.
With motion sensors a sneaker can be easily spotted.It's not a matter of spotting them or not but the fact probably that more than half free gear will be transported out of location instead of being used in fighting there.
But if this location will be opened now without any gear spawning in lockers, who will go there ? There must be an other reason. And attracting players with stuff is the only way I know. If you have some Ideas share with us.
That's the problem with current players. Why do you think lockers in reno/wh appeared? Do you remember old times at 2238 in New Reno? There was no locker, nothing, but people were going there almost all the time if there was no TC at the moment. Just to fight. Right now you have to give players something to make them come out of tents.
If good map and possibility to fight others is not a reason enough to go and have some fun than we got nothing to talk about. I miss times when people were coming to fight, right now you can see enemies looting you and running away with loot even when their teammates are still fighting...
You can't change sad fact that most of current players are greedy, reward dependent pussies that put loot over good pvp.QuoteWith motion sensors a sneaker can be easily spotted.It's not a matter of spotting them or not but the fact probably that more than half free gear will be transported out of location instead of being used in fighting there.
And people should think twice before they write something. First they say just bring back map, not much work but then they will be like:
- bring A, B
- remove C, D, E
- add F, G
- change H, I, J into K, L, M
yeah, sounds like no work with this to me...
If you care only about pvp why you want outfitters altruists and lockers spawning shit in insane ammounts in there?
If we only had "alike pvp anywhere" as you say, so why no one comes ? Why should I wait the whole day till you come to TC opening in Redding or BH ? And this just for two hours ?and what else you want when you are in one of the two biggest factions allied together ?
and what else you want when you are in one of the two biggest factions allied together ?
you are 1/2 server in one alliance and you are asking why you have to wait for pvp whole day.. sorry but noone will come to NR fighting 5v15
I want to have this arena working again with all things that were avaliable in 2238, like outfitters, lockers with good shit etc.
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I want to have this arena working again with all things that were avaliable in 2238, like outfitters, lockers with good shit etc.
We don't need another artificial pvp playground today or after wipe. Hinkley is enough. Voted no.
ps. who the fuck craft now? retarded poll
i never seen this map ingame and if someone would be looking for pvp he can come to New Reno anytime so i voted "i dont care", sadly NR is now mostly about plastic explosives due to rlly bad map (plastic explosives are fine, problem is with map.. all grids too close and npcs on streets so you can easily camp all grids plastic explosives or put them to npcs)
For those who didn't see Ghost Town and are too lazy to download 2238 mapper:Exactly,the location is nice but NO crazy lockers no outfitters and no altruists.
http://i.imgur.com/s2Dd15P.png (http://i.imgur.com/s2Dd15P.png)
http://i.imgur.com/3ICn5sw.png (http://i.imgur.com/3ICn5sw.png)
(there was 1 more grid at east added later)
PvP there could be nice but not with free gear.
Bitch please Seki and Burstdeath don't even know how Ghost Town was (not even sure if they played at least FOnline at this time) so listening to someone who doesn't know about what he is talking, is a waste of time (I don't offend anyone of you guys).thats why i didnt said yes/no and i voted "i dont care" .. ::)
Than if no one wanna feed sneakers and lazy asses just remove NR locker and add Ghost Town as only one pvp area without anything in. People will get used to fight thereor just move locker from NR to ghost town instead of locker spawning alot of top stuff, there is already much more then enough of it from NR and its not much fun when everyone would be in PAs and shits like that, ghost town looks like better map for pvp then NR
Than if no one wanna feed sneakers and lazy asses just remove NR locker and add Ghost Town as only one pvp area without anything in. People will get used to fight thereor just move locker from NR to ghost town instead of locker spawning alot of top stuff, there is already much more then enough of it from NR and its not much fun when everyone would be in PAs and shits like that, ghost town looks like better map for pvp then NR
without outfitters and altruists
I see no problem with making map available again. But big no to free stuff pvp because it's not even close to fun.Please, I would like you to elaborate. Having more PvP is not even close to fun? Fighting people you have never seen before is not fun? Though I appreciate your comment, this is too abstract, sorry.
You got magic box in reno or wh,everyone has got characters andWell not the same, but we will have definitely more action than now I believe.
tons of regular stuff and shit. I played during those times thats why im telling you it will never be the same.
If you wanna fight with free gear just go to hinkley,problem solved.I expected someone would mention Hinkley, it's quite cheap comparing Ghost Town and Hinkley, because it makes no sense. Hinkley is two small arenas, two teams spawning at the same time. Ghost Town combines advantages of both - arenas and free world. People come and go, asynchronously, that is what made it so unique.
i never seen this map ingame and if someone would be looking for pvp he can come to New Reno anytime so i voted "i dont care", sadly NR is now mostly about plastic explosives due to rlly bad map (plastic explosives are fine, problem is with map.. all grids too close and npcs on streets so you can easily camp all grids plastic explosives or put them to npcs)Again, it's impossible to compare Reno and Ghost Town.
We don't need another artificial pvp playground today or after wipe. Hinkley is enough. Voted no.As explained, Hinkley is nowhere near to experience you get from Ghost Town. Other than that, try to fight in Reno as you would in Ghost Town, you would be out of stuff in three days, that's how intense fights in Ghost Town were. You would be forced to either craft, steal from your friends or stop playing, that explains the second option in my "retarded poll".
ps. who the fuck craft now? retarded poll
PvP there could be nice but not with free gear.This is like saying PvP would be nice in Waterworks but not with free gear. Oh wait, you don't get free gear in there yet there is no PvP whatsoever.
Sure. For me fighting with free gear is like ridding a bike with 2 additional wheels.I see no problem with making map available again. But big no to free stuff pvp because it's not even close to fun.Please, I would like you to elaborate. Having more PvP is not even close to fun? Fighting people you have never seen before is not fun? Though I appreciate your comment, this is too abstract, sorry.
Personally I don't think Ghost Town as a part of pre-wipe madness would hurt anyone, it would take place maybe a week before the wipe, so the lack of Town control is not the issue here.I think your first post lacks this info. One could think that you want it added now. And such town with free gear for a month is completely different deal than if you want to make it available in pre-wipe madness.
Sure. For me fighting with free gear is like ridding a bike with 2 additional wheels.Yes, they don't fight the same way, because they fight a lot less. Sometimes I have to wait hours on worldmap before someone dares to come. For me it just means less PvP, even now there are people who have 1000x more stuff than I do and I highly doubt their playstyle would changed if they were given free stuff (because even now they basically fight for free). But I don't want to look like I'm trying to force my opinion, so let's just agree to disagree.
People don't fight same way if they got free stuff then when they have to risk their own gear.
For pre-wipe madness such place with stuff is ok. But longer than that is just too long.
I think your first post lacks this info. One could think that you want it added now. And such town with free gear for a month is completely different deal than if you want to make it available in pre-wipe madness.You're right, I will edit my first post.
A week before wipe why not but definitely not now or any sooner,anyway id rather see prewipe madness with only tier 1 available than something that we have already experienced.This would be an excellent idea, BUT don't forget there are fully implanted players, I don't see a way to kill a tank with all implants with a hunting rifle. Remove all implants, after that you got my vote.
Making Ghost Town available one week (or so) before the new session sounds good for me. AFAIK the map is present in game as I didn't touch it when working on 2238 source. So it should require no effort for me to simply add this location somewhere on worldmap.Man, not guards npcs... they are annoying in WH already. just leave it empty with or without a locker, its a ghost town after all...
Urukhai is reworking the map for possibly better PvP, after wipe the reworked version will be present on worldmap, of course with some reward spawners and some NPC guards (like Warehouse). Locker from New Reno Arms will be removed, but since New Reno has been reworked already (all maps merged into one, check Urukhai's work in another forum section), we'll place something there as well. Not as profitable as today, but wipe will bring many changes.. we'll see how it works.
Man, not guards npcs... they are annoying in WH already. just leave it empty with or without a locker, its a ghost town after all...
Hey! It IS a ghost town ain't it!
So add ghosts! No, really- randomly generating ghost npc (from f2), 200 hp but only kick and punch attacks. They just "proof" in whenever the hell they want, in groups of 4 or 5. Nig actually dangerous buy a hell of a dustraction...
OH! And add them to golgotha!
Meh. Ultra faggots camp only New Reno box and that's all they do. They won't come to any other location unless they smell some good loot.
And Amboys only troll with their C4 or camp whole day on WM to backstab someone, so there's no good fight either.