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Development => Bugs => Topic started by: Kaso on September 06, 2017, 01:08:17 pm

Title: Bonus Rate of Attack Perk and Combat Shotgun & Assault Rifle
Post by: Kaso on September 06, 2017, 01:08:17 pm
I took the "Fast Shot" trait, so my rifle attacks cost only 3 AP.
But when I took the Bonus Rate of Attack Perk, it should have been reduced to just 2AP. But it still takes 3AP.

It works fine with some other guns i tried.
Title: Re: Bonus Rate of Attack Perk and Combat Shotgun & Assault Rifle
Post by: swinglinered on September 06, 2017, 01:41:43 pm
IIRC there was a session in 2238 where Fast Shot only worked if there was an aimed shot option on the weapon.

Maybe something like that is at work here.
Title: Re: Bonus Rate of Attack Perk and Combat Shotgun & Assault Rifle
Post by: Perteks on September 06, 2017, 01:45:56 pm
min for single 2hd is 3 for 1hd is 2ap
Title: Re: Bonus Rate of Attack Perk and Combat Shotgun & Assault Rifle
Post by: Mad Matt on September 06, 2017, 01:47:09 pm
min for single 2hd is 3 for 1hd is 2ap

Finally no more abusing spammers in TB.
Title: Re: Bonus Rate of Attack Perk and Combat Shotgun & Assault Rifle
Post by: Kaso on September 06, 2017, 02:14:27 pm
So i wasted a perk? :(
Title: Re: Bonus Rate of Attack Perk and Combat Shotgun & Assault Rifle
Post by: Mad Matt on September 06, 2017, 02:18:02 pm
You can shoot from pistols for 2AP, not 3.
Title: Re: Bonus Rate of Attack Perk and Combat Shotgun & Assault Rifle
Post by: That Man on September 10, 2017, 12:49:12 am
Burst attacks are unaffected as well. May I have a moment of silence for a perk nerfed to oblivion?
Title: Re: Bonus Rate of Attack Perk and Combat Shotgun & Assault Rifle
Post by: jokeusa on September 10, 2017, 04:37:45 am
Burst attacks are unaffected as well. May I have a moment of silence for a perk nerfed to oblivion?
Wait, BRoF has been changed not to affect burst? Or do you have the trait in mind?
Title: Re: Bonus Rate of Attack Perk and Combat Shotgun & Assault Rifle
Post by: That Man on September 10, 2017, 09:07:34 am
I meant the perk, and let me clarify: it SEEMS to not affect bursts. I've been using combat shotguns for a long time, and I'm pretty sure their burst cost 5 APs BEFORE I took BRoF (or BRoA, whatever. At least it looks funny) and it costs that much now. Could someone please verify?

Either way, not being able to make single shots at 2 APs with 2 handed guns (that is to say, the majority of the really effective weapons) is still a huge blow. Not to mention other senselessly slaughtered perks.
Title: Re: Bonus Rate of Attack Perk and Combat Shotgun & Assault Rifle
Post by: Mad Matt on September 10, 2017, 10:53:04 am
LOL, their AP use was 6 without perk. Check on Wiki:

https://www.fonline-reloaded.net/wiki/index.php?title=Combat_Shotgun
Title: Re: Bonus Rate of Attack Perk and Combat Shotgun & Assault Rifle
Post by: Mad Matt on September 10, 2017, 10:54:56 am
LOL, their AP use was 6 without perk. Check on Wiki:

https://www.fonline-reloaded.net/wiki/index.php?title=Combat_Shotgun

It's not nerfing without a cause. No more spammers shooting 7/8 times in one turn, or even more idiot spamming for 1AP when -1ap weaps were in use.
Title: Re: Bonus Rate of Attack Perk and Combat Shotgun & Assault Rifle
Post by: That Man on September 10, 2017, 12:21:59 pm
LOL, their AP use was 6 without perk. Check on Wiki:

https://www.fonline-reloaded.net/wiki/index.php?title=Combat_Shotgun

I don't trust the wiki anymore, I meant someone checking it in-game.

LOL, their AP use was 6 without perk. Check on Wiki:

https://www.fonline-reloaded.net/wiki/index.php?title=Combat_Shotgun

It's not nerfing without a cause. No more spammers shooting 7/8 times in one turn, or even more idiot spamming for 1AP when -1ap weaps were in use.

So what's the problem with someone attacking 8+ times a turn? It's a viable survival strategy. An avenger minigun shoots one bullet for 0.15 action points, and I don't see it nerfed.
Title: Re: Bonus Rate of Attack Perk and Combat Shotgun & Assault Rifle
Post by: jokeusa on September 10, 2017, 01:44:22 pm
It's a viable survival strategy.
No, it is not.

An avenger minigun shoots one bullet for 0.15 action points, and I don't see it nerfed.
That's cause you aren't looking - there were heavy nerfs that affected Avenger.
Title: Re: Bonus Rate of Attack Perk and Combat Shotgun & Assault Rifle
Post by: That Man on September 10, 2017, 02:05:12 pm
It's a viable survival strategy.
No, it is not.

And why not? Gets other things killed while the user survives. Seems like a pretty good strategy. Would you care to elaborate?
Title: Re: Bonus Rate of Attack Perk and Combat Shotgun & Assault Rifle
Post by: Mad Matt on September 10, 2017, 10:46:00 pm
Maybe cause 15/16 AP char with 1AP shot was a damn overkill? Somtheing that was heavily broken in TB?


About combat shotgun, you said last session it was less AP, check wiki, it says it was edited last time year ago...so in 2nd season it was 6AP per burst
Title: Re: Bonus Rate of Attack Perk and Combat Shotgun & Assault Rifle
Post by: That Man on September 11, 2017, 03:23:53 pm
Overkill in TB maybe, but in RT it's doomed vs. most other builds: strong in one mode, weak in another. I admit that 1 AP/shot is a little too much in any mode though. Still, "If it looks stupid but it works, it ain't stupid."

What I'll never accept is that it's supposed to work like this, no matter who says so. As long as I draw breath, I'll consider BRoA not enabling 2H guns' single shot for 2 AP a bug. And I'll mourn the loss of my precious Living anatomy damage bonus the whole time.
Title: Re: Bonus Rate of Attack Perk and Combat Shotgun & Assault Rifle
Post by: abysse on September 11, 2017, 03:59:38 pm
it's not a bug, it's a well deserved nerf : imagine a 25% critical chance sniper 6 shot per turn at 50 tiles. with a potential chance to get 2-3 head-eye shot, it's a well deserved nerf, use 223 or 14 mm pistol ;p
Title: Re: Bonus Rate of Attack Perk and Combat Shotgun & Assault Rifle
Post by: That Man on September 11, 2017, 09:57:04 pm
Never! :P
Title: Re: Bonus Rate of Attack Perk and Combat Shotgun & Assault Rifle
Post by: FLAW on December 26, 2017, 04:36:38 pm
Isn't most pvp combat in RT anyway?

Also maybe minimal AP cost should be 2 for every weapon? I'm pretty sure single fire shooting with 5mm AR is faster, than .44 Magnum Revolver.

I've got similar build based on single fire for RT combat. I was hoping 2 AP for attack will give me a chance against bursters.
Title: Re: Bonus Rate of Attack Perk and Combat Shotgun & Assault Rifle
Post by: DeathClaW on March 11, 2018, 03:07:14 pm
bonus rate of attack don't work on mele weapon or unarmed attack,  can someone fix this?
Title: Re: Bonus Rate of Attack Perk and Combat Shotgun & Assault Rifle
Post by: Veki on March 12, 2018, 06:45:21 pm
Is work, but is imposible to get under 2 ap cost per attack(for cbt knife, power fist etc), if you use aim attack , you will see is work...
Title: Re: Bonus Rate of Attack Perk and Combat Shotgun & Assault Rifle
Post by: DeathClaW on March 15, 2018, 10:43:35 am
Thank you for your help and clarity, otherwise I would like to leave the game because of my mistakes