Grenade pistol & launcher

[Kilgore]

Post feedback and suggestions about them here so it will allow me to change it faster and then place it in fixboy/traders, later in encounters.

[Collector]

They are cool, most likely its an anit rush weapon and could be fun in PvE.

You can add them to fixboy/traders.

[kill n die]

It seems like they are really weak...
M79 vs CA mk.2

Pistol vs CA mk.2 (NOTE,character shadowsight have 3x brd,fastshoot,living anatomy)


M79 vs CA

Pistol vs CA



Pistol can remain as it is i guess.
But about M79,it's really weak,even criticals...there is almost no difference when opponent have CA or CA mk,2
Suggestion:
Increase dammage of M79,so it will do atleast minimal dmg on CA mk.2 min.45,max.65 on CA min50 max75.
Or add special Armor piercing ammunation,or Plasma type...

AP 40mm Grenade

DR modifier    35
Damage adj    2/1

Plasma 40mm Grenade


Also add new realistic M79 sound effects for them.
(download bellow)

[Kilgore]

keep in mind that M72 is not for doing high damage against single targets

it has 4-hex splash and 3 shots in a row

your problem is you're testing it in 1vs1

[kill n die]

keep in mind that M72 is not for doing high damage against single targets

it has 4-hex splash and 3 shots in a row

your problem is you're testing it in 1vs1

I keep that on mind but still,dmg around 20? I believe that none would use it in serious pvp...
With such dmg people would prefer Rocket Launchers anyway also thanks to Armor Piercing ammunation...

[shadowsight]

Pistol does even less damage . If i don't have Fast Shot + BRD x3 + Living Anatomy , the damage is below 20 .

[Sperber]

Considering that they're single-shot weapons the damage might indeed be a little low for PvP.
But it depends what they're intended for. For PvE they would be good as is.

Armor piercing grenades make no sense.

There are however long range 40mm grenades in real life that almost double the range.

And also shotgun shell-like rounds called beehive
which are basically 40mm magazines of small calibre bullets that are all shot at once and have a pretty wide spread..

I didn't like the descriptions btw. No idea why you didn't just keep the ones from Fallout Tactics.
Also why did you rename the grenade pistol? There was no reason to.

[Strike]

This is pretty easy, just buff 40mm grenades.

Change 40mm grenades ammo stats -> Rocket AP, maybe little tweaked.

[Kilgore]

Right now M72 makes 80% damage of Rocket Launcher loaded with Explosive Rockets. I can make it 100% as well, but I don't want to be flooded by rivers of tears of those who don't like it, so I'm still waiting for ideas and posts (from more than few people).

Btw: I don't want these to make any armor piercing damage.

[kill n die]

Right now M72 makes 80% damage of Rocket Launcher loaded with Explosive Rockets. I can make it 100% as well, but I don't want to be flooded by rivers of tears of those who don't like it, so I'm still waiting for ideas and posts (from more than few people).

Btw: I don't want these to make any armor piercing damage.

Yeah well the AP idea wasn't good...
Anyway,what do you think about Plasma ones? Without Knock Back bonus,just higher dmg.
Maybe you can even make it 100percent or even + cause there isn't an AP ammo for it (like in case of RL).

[skejwen]

Also add new realistic M79 sound effects for them.
(download bellow)

Why using obsolete ancient file format if engine can use ogg? ^^

shoot
explode
reload

[3.14]

Right now M72 makes 80% damage of Rocket Launcher loaded with Explosive Rockets.

But do people use Explosive Rockets in PvP?

DT/DR for plasma is higher for most armors, what use would plasma grenades with no knockdown be?  Against swarms of psycho-tanks?

[Kilgore]

No idea if people use Explosive Rockets at all in PvP. They were supposed to have bigger splash range (4 hexes vs 3 hexes) but lesser damage.

[DocAN]

ITs not DPS its more like rush breaker weapon, it doesnt need huge dmg.

[kill n die]

ITs not DPS its more like rush breaker weapon, it doesnt need huge dmg.

Are you serious? Then tell me why the hell is nobody using grenades?...