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Development => Suggestions => Closed suggestions => Topic started by: Flre on October 03, 2013, 12:09:42 am
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Sorry for my bad english.
Hello, i would like to see craftable gatling laser here, and to prevent upcoming trolling i will explain why. I did some tests at Hinkley and outside with my teammate, and i realized that gatling is worse than avenger, and the problem is in bonuses. You can craft avenger with +dmg, - ap, etc, and you cant do the same with gatling, so it's basically cant be better than avenger. Of course gatling's damage should be lower than avengers, because it has better range, but without -ap for example, this weapon is a bit useless.
If i missed something, or you disagree with me, just type and explain your point of view. I hope topic will be clear from trolling.
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I agree.
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or bring back pay n spray for laser gatling crit builds XD
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Avenger is useless on a non-Avenger alt and requires 2 or 3 specialized perks that don't scale all that well with the remaining BG-class weapons.
Gatling scales with crit perks and performs well with base damage, which makes it a perfect sidearm on any Bazooka alt or a good main gun on a dedicated tank.
Basically, the only thing that those guns have in common is the fact that they have multiple barrels, so you shouldn't be comparing them side by side like that.
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I disagree. Gatling and Avenger are two different weapons, one EW, one BG. I dont think adding Gatling as a craftable weapon will make a balance. Even if its nerfed, imagine Unique Gatling Laser with -1ap, crit and dmg modifiers in hand of good built player. I think its good as it is now.
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i am for gatling BP !!!
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or bring back pay n spray for laser gatling crit builds XD
Crits are working without spray and pray, i already checked it.
I disagree. Gatling and Avenger are two different weapons, one EW, one BG. I dont think adding Gatling as a craftable weapon will make a balance. Even if its nerfed, imagine Unique Gatling Laser with -1ap, crit and dmg modifiers in hand of good built player. I think its good as it is now.
I understand, and i can agree with some things (for example gatling builds are extremely tanky, so giving them huge dmg and 40 hex range may cause troubles), but i don't understand why we cant compare them, because its highest tier weapon, and damage mechanics is the same as avengers. And if we will compare regular ave and regular gatling, they will be basically very similar and ballanced to each other. But if we will compare - ap + min +max ave and regular gatling - man, come on, avenger will be better in every single situation...
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true, main problem is -ap reduce is we compare av <> gatling
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+1 to craftable gatling laser!
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Wow just no, gatling with +25 min/max dmg would be just goddamn to powerfull and another set of whine waves will go (probably from Jacky too)
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perteks maby ask "nerf Jacky becasue he is 1hexing bbs", for me dmg bonus is retarded in fo:r
I suggested better idea:
+1-4 min/max dmg for single bullet will solve your problem
now we have stupid % min/max dmg
49-99 + even 4min and 3max dmg wont change anything but you were to brilliant to understand it.
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And you are too dumb to get that your whining is just stupid whining.
Like i said you gonna whine if that suggestion will pass. You already show that you don't think about what you suggest.
Gatlings are good right now like that no need to boost them by making craftable.
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just bring back spray n pay , than i donate and reroll my chars xD
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I dunno, I've thought about it, and I can't bring myself to say it's a good idea, despite maining a Gatling Laser character in TC since it's started.
49-99 damage with +25% min/max? 61-123 base Gatling Laser damage, maybe with a -1 AP for two bursts in a 10 AP round?
I just don't think that will help balance in any way. The Gatling Laser is very good where it is right now, highly damaging but you have to pick your opponents because of how hard it can be countered by Metal Mk2s or Tesla.
Nice Boat is right when he says the Gatling Laser and Avenger are very different beasts. I mean, one hits 4 rounds at max range and the other hits 14, they're not really supposed to be compared. Gatling Lasers are for tanky builds and Avengers are for BRDs. Anyone who takes 2 BRDs and MRD for a Gatling Laser build is missing the point entirely.
This however does not mean I think Avengers are balanced very well right now, but that's another thing. A nerf to 5mm AP might be in order here, honestly, when a max tankiness build with a ridiculous amount of DR is the only way to survive more than 2 bursts (one 10 AP round with BROF and -1 AP Avenger) from an Avenger at range, it means that the Avenger is a guaranteed kill on people without Adrenaline Rush, 2 Tough, Psycho, multiple Lifegivers, etc.
To counter a Gatling Laser you don't need most of your perks for it, you just need a Metal Mk2, and that's the beauty of the balance of the weapon with its highly damaging capabilities.
Something for Kilgore to maybe keep in mind if he wants the Avenger to stay this powerful is removing the ability to craft it for -1 AP +25% Min/Max damage, but that's for another wipe, since every TC I pick up like multiple of them from corpses, too many are already flowing through the economy to remove it and think that's a fix.
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I don't want dmg bonus but -ap
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This however does not mean I think Avengers are balanced very well right now, but that's another thing. A nerf to 5mm AP might be in order here, honestly, when a max tankiness build with a ridiculous amount of DR is the only way to survive more than 2 bursts (one 10 AP round with BROF and -1 AP Avenger) from an Avenger at range, it means that the Avenger is a guaranteed kill on people without Adrenaline Rush, 2 Tough, Psycho, multiple Lifegivers, etc.
I disagree. Stop using jet, take psycho and 2x tough, you will see the difference, even without adrenaline rush. You will not be able to kill even 190 hp guy from range with doubleburst. And it's ~180 dmg from 1 hex on tough guy without jet. Don't even try to say that i'm lying, i tested it alot.
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This however does not mean I think Avengers are balanced very well right now, but that's another thing. A nerf to 5mm AP might be in order here, honestly, when a max tankiness build with a ridiculous amount of DR is the only way to survive more than 2 bursts (one 10 AP round with BROF and -1 AP Avenger) from an Avenger at range, it means that the Avenger is a guaranteed kill on people without Adrenaline Rush, 2 Tough, Psycho, multiple Lifegivers, etc.
I disagree. Stop using jet, take psycho and 2x tough, you will see the difference, even without adrenaline rush. You will not be able to kill even 190 hp guy from range with doubleburst.
This is a flat out lie, with 90% DR on my 287 hp character, I was still hit for 158 by mediocre crafted Avenger. (toughness/even tougher, Adrenaline rush proc'd, psycho, combat armor mk 2). If you have trouble getting over 100 damage out of your avenger then maybe you should have an introspective look at the flaws of your build as opposed to assuming others are bad.
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This is a flat out lie, with 90% DR on my 287 hp character, I was still hit for 158 by mediocre crafted Avenger. (toughness/even tougher, Adrenaline rush proc'd, psycho, combat armor mk 2). If you have trouble getting over 100 damage out of your avenger then maybe you should have an introspective look at the flaws of your build as opposed to assuming others are bad.
I can prove my build anytime. And you have a good chance to loose, due to your favourite jet. Btw, gatling guy < avenger because of damn jet also, which he's forced to use, because it's impossible to do 2xburst without jet. And 1 burst is obviously not enough.
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This is a flat out lie, with 90% DR on my 287 hp character, I was still hit for 158 by mediocre crafted Avenger. (toughness/even tougher, Adrenaline rush proc'd, psycho, combat armor mk 2). If you have trouble getting over 100 damage out of your avenger then maybe you should have an introspective look at the flaws of your build as opposed to assuming others are bad.
I can prove my build anytime. And you have a good chance to loose, due to your favourite jet. Btw, gatling guy < avenger because of damn jet also, which he's forced to use, because it's impossible to do 2xburst without jet. And 1 burst is obviously not enough.
Only snipers and sneakers should ever take jet. I can already burst twice in 1 turn with avenger. Why would I need jet?
Gatling laser is easily countered (MA MK2) or Brotherhood Armor. That and its inability to be crafted are its downfalls.
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But if you are not troll, you would never type this:
This is a flat out lie, with 90% DR on my 287 hp character, I was still hit for 158 by mediocre crafted Avenger
because it's possible only with crit bullets.. 2X tough adr.rush guy ON jet takes 120 dmg on range from pure low hp dmg bg burster. And no need to lie here.
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guys this is not about avenger, av are strong and we can keep them as they are, i would just boost vindicators to be stronger than avengers.
gatlings need only crit % and power and ap reduce,
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But if you are not troll, you would never type this:
This is a flat out lie, with 90% DR on my 287 hp character, I was still hit for 158 by mediocre crafted Avenger
because it's possible only with crit bullets.. 2X tough adr.rush guy ON jet takes 120 dmg on range from pure low hp dmg bg burster. And no need to lie here.
Look, I don't know what to tell you if you're builds aren't optimized. I'm surely not going to give you the builds that my friends and I have worked on together. If you would care to enter Hinkley for some PvP to see what I'm talking about then fine.
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Only problem with you build my dear sir you have 11ap brof with out stonewall or 10ap with stonewall :) only Gatling bursters can be 2xtoughness psycho beer 285hp 11ap tanks. I used that in 2338 for close combat in nr
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Tesla vs gatling : 20-40 in range
Ma mk2: 50-65