Hello I would like to answer your post mkhammer.
First who are you to start your post with "All weapons on that server are ballanced. No need to change anything." I mean even the developpers of the game are still trying to make changes to improve the gameplay and are not 100 percents sure that no changes need to be made that's why they keep doing updates. So it is just your opinion I think we can agree on this...
After saying this you re talking immediately about one hexing
"If you re going to hex fight against gattling use avenger, you can insta kill enemy if you re better player. " Well we can really discuss this since in my opinion both players can one shot the other one but laser gatling character can take psycho while avenger users can't.
The person who lacks of logics between me and you is the person who wrote these sentences in the same post :
"Also one thing, nobody forces You to use ca mk2, use ma mk2 with bonuses and stay on long range, normal dmg wont rape You."
"Dont compare avenger with gattling( 40 bullets vs 10 bullets). There is no more weapon like avenger which got such benefit from brd, it can kill non tanky builds in 1-2 shoots from range, gattling cant do it."
First you are telling people to use metal armor mk 2 at distance and that "normal damage wont rape them" and after this you are saying that there is no other weapon like avenger and that it can kills in two shots at distance non tanky character builds but wait,
if we are not using combat armors and metal armors mk2 like you say what will happens ? I come here with proofs I just went to hinkley with my friend
as you can see the damage goes up to 142 hit points, and my character narrowminded has of course toughness + even tougher so when you say normal damage won't rape you I think that you are saying something funny and also something that is in contradiction with what you say after. This is what happens if you want to wear mamk2. And of course I am not talking about the explosive damages that will be higher and all the other types...
"Ca mk2 is not supposed to be the best armor in game, the best is HPA, so if You want better resist use it. "
Woww really ? Hardened Power armor is better ? So first read me well next time because if you look back to my message I am not saying that the ca mk2 is the best armor in the game : "to use laser gatling and deal 80-100 damage per burst at distance on CAmk2 (considered by me like the best armor in the game that you can obtain excluding the TC's armors,PA etc..armors that you use rarely)." Everything is said here camk2 is the armor that most of players will wear most of the time, to prove you that I am saying the truth why in hinkley you think that the best armor you can have is the camk2/desert combat armor do you think that the developpers were stupid to not put Power armors in hinkley ? but why they didn't do it ? Because it's more representative of the fights going on the wasteland.
And also honestly what is the point of your sentence about HPA, what do you recommend to players ? To wear HPA because it has higher resistance ? First it ALSO has higher resistance to normal damage and everything so it's not solving the problem, second thing is that it is in contradiction with another thing you said in your second post when you say that we should not talk only about TCs( I was talking about everything in my post and not only about TCs by the way but well) because it only represents 10-15 percents of the players in FOnline but wait. Then if you recommend players to wear HPAs, who are the players that have HPAs ? The players that do TCs !
From the wiki " Hardened Power Armor spawns randomly in TC lockers with a probability of 0.5% " So thanks for the advice and your bad faith, you surely represents most of the players of FOnline I have no doubts about it.
"Use snipers to counter gattling. "
Nothing to say about this...non sense, don't know what you mean and what you want to say with this.
Also snipers counters avengers even more since gatling got 5 hexes more than avenger wake up pls.
"Dont Cry about pvp, weapons are used also in pvE."
Well is it because a player want to talk about a subject that he is crying ?
And what do you mean by this ? I am talking about the stats of a weapon and the build to use a particular weapon, I am comparing the perks... and you tell me that weapons are not only used in PvP but also used in PvE what are you talking about dude. PvP or PvE my post remain the same but well if you want me to talk about PvE with gatling lasers and TB fights like you say I will.
3 perks that are free for action boys and bonus move if you want to play TB, for lifegivers etc..For farming it is a great weapon if you have enough ammos since you deal a lot of damage to opponents without armors like mutants or centaurs.
But honestly I think that your PvE demand is a little bit off the subject.
"In one versus one and You re using avenger fighting gattling enemy, you dont need toughness, enemy need so Your 3x brd is equal to his 2x toughness."
Look at what you said here please, first thing no it is not equal because 3-2=1 so there is one perk difference.
Second thing is that I wish you good luck to play without any toughness because you know the problem is that you told it yourself if you want to one versus one the laser gatling character you need to adapt your build to play only against him and that's not realistic at all it's exactly like wearing a mamk2 in pvp to counter only laser gatling characters while the person in front of you don't have to think about all of this because he has his toughness so he can play against everything and don't need brd to do damage.
"Lack of logics? If they mix team that means not only gattling is good?"
No, it's just that a normal team want to have snipers, rockets and bursters for range/crits, explosion, and damage/one hex.
And also I didn't say that only gatling was good, I am saying that you can have a better build and more choice of perks with laser gatling.
"Not true, nobody forces you to take 2x toughness on avenger char"
hahaha nobody forces you yes, but if you don't take it or at least take an even tougher you will take a lot of damage from normal damage dealers it's all the time the same problem, what you re saying is good only against laser gatling character but you don't know what you will face. Problem is that laser gatling characters can face everyone while avenger can't if we do what you re saying.
"Counter argument: avenger crit char can kill in 2 range shoots every tank. "
We were talking about normal damage and now you re talking about criticals, what about bypass with laser gatling ? You don't talk about it.
Also what I want to point out is the fact that witout relying on luck as I already said, laser gatling characters are the best damage dealers against tanks. Because in fact you can't tank yourself against them without getting totally
outdamaged by other types of damage.
I ve read other posts and I think that the damages of other weapons are fine.
The thing is that you can take the toughness perks in the very early levels and all builds can afford it at least one, before toughness was a perk for the tanks. But now I feel like if you have 0 toughness you really need to know what you re doing or you messed up your build that is where I don't agree with mkhammer when he says that no one forces you to take toughness. So the problem is that you can't gain laser resistance without changing your armor.
As I said even psycho doesn't help, I ask for a little bit laser resistance in toughness perk. Normal damage and laser damage are high at the beginning but I find it unfair that you can reduce normal damage and not laser damage.
And please mkhammer stop it with your end of the topic, if you have something to say we can discuss about it but you are not the person I think that can close a topic because you don't like what is said in this topic or agree.