FOnline: Reloaded
Factions => The Thunderdome => River of Tears => Topic started by: regeracht on October 14, 2015, 01:03:21 pm
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For the love of god, why does SMG affects sneak? Just get the hugest SMG IRL, try to croach with and roll. U wont feel uncomfortable with it. I can understand why does rifle gets u sneak worse. Definitely, holding a big gun is making sneak movement harder. But SMG is not that big. Everything is done to make the only possible effective way to play is getting a huge machinegun and bursting like hell. All SG weapons except XL are useless. U can manage with a good build if u use pistols. I was planning to use EW pistols to knockout, then hex the guy with p90. Why not? Sneakers have a lots of disadvantages besides this crap, we got enough of them. For real, guys, the whole system is made to play ugly stupid apes with 1 INT and 1 CHA, but have eyes like eagles and muscles like a babooin. Is that really that necessary to make one more step for making only tanks play and others just do PvE and sit tight without showing their noses out?
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Write more details and technical numbers. Another crying thread does not help us. Be more specific with your suggestions.
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All SG weapons except XL are useless.
:facepalm
stopped reading after this, its just another cry topic
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It's accually truth. Only reliable weapons for damage dealing from SG are .223 XL Pancor and Sniper Rifle. Rest are situational weapons that you cannot relay on. Only suitable sneaker now is LSW Crit Burster or .223 Sniper.
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Well, actually, yes, it is a crying post. Why not? When tanks cry, sneak is nerfed.
As about SG - with 10 PE and 10 Luck u deal like 90-110 damage crit in eyes, if the rifle is regular. 223 pistol or 14mm is fine, but fits only to specific builds.
As I suppose, SMG now lowers sneak skill for 100. This makes holding SMG in hand-off useless. So u cant be affective close-range sneaker if u use it. Yes, u still can develop like 223 spammer, or use HtH weapon. But if u use EW pistols, u do like 60-160 damage. And get a lot of KO with a proper build. This makes half-way there, ur opponent has 220-290 hp normally. So u have to finish the job. If u are not HtH, that makes u use something to simply hex, coz u can always make your SG to 100-120 with books, even non-tagged. And if SMG affects sneak, u cant do this. Keeping SMG in inventory is problematic for short ranged fights, u cant afford dragging it out, coz u need to react fast.
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Yes, I agree that SG have not so much love as BG or EW, same with Tanks being best fighting class. Even doing PvE is easier while using tank char. Some dungeons are available only for tanks. So this is true. Unfortunately, I have no better idea so I stfu myself in this matter. Without proper advices or ideas I would suggest it to author too. We need more reasonable ideas, not cry posts. Even as I'm understanding your anger and it's touching me too, I would reconsider more how to help with this situation...and than post something more arguable.
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SMG's are only good for Hexing, even their bursts can leave much to be desired.
I had a scrap tank build with 245 HP, level 18 using a LSW beat a P90
He got 2 bursts off on me before I fired back two bursts his ~260 HP didn't do him much good.
He ended up bursting me 3 times.
I just super stim'ed and killed another one of his teammates with a Gatling next.
BG's are much easier to get into and use in Fonline then SG's you don't really need specific builds or to use hotkeys just level up and fire.
Sneaking IRL is what you know Camo is all about. IRL its deadly, on Fonline its more annoying. You can easily survive sniper shots to the head. Sure you might be knocked out, but if you have a friend who can heal you or get lucky you can then one burst (not even hex) the sniper and move on. Especially since you will see him. Fonline is a bit too easy on the easiest build to make since INT doesn't affect combat too heavily. Sneakers take a long time to create and for most of their leveling are useless.
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Well, Matt, I am giving suggestion right now. If SMG will be able for sneakers, they will be more deadly. And yes, I am completely agreed with Help Bot, only for hexing. So all I ask is to leave sneakers the ability to hex. It is not that big request, hexing requires not much skill, but is able only in specific situations, so gives not that big advantage, especially if u are the squishy guy in leather armor. It can be done, it wont ruin the balance, it will make more different builds for sneakers, so I suppose it will make game more different and interesting both for sneakers and for their opponents.
And no, Help Bot. Camo is ok for visual, for mid-long range situations. When u are mid-close it is more about hush movement, agility and your ability to step lightly, so mostly because of that it is correct that sneak is affected by agility. Try strikeball, u will see how it works )))
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Well, Matt, I am giving suggestion right now. If SMG will be able for sneakers, they will be more deadly. And yes, I am completely agreed with Help Bot, only for hexing. So all I ask is to leave sneakers the ability to hex. It is not that big request, hexing requires not much skill, but is able only in specific situations, so gives not that big advantage, especially if u are the squishy guy in leather armor. It can be done, it wont ruin the balance, it will make more different builds for sneakers, so I suppose it will make game more different and interesting both for sneakers and for their opponents.
And no, Help Bot. Camo is ok for visual, for mid-long range situations. When u are mid-close it is more about hush movement, agility and your ability to step lightly, so mostly because of that it is correct that sneak is affected by agility. Try strikeball, u will see how it works )))
Well i disagree with you on that. sneakers are snipers snipers have load of AP do to jet. Ergo 12Ap at least mostly14 or even 16= at least 3 P90 bursts and you have some AP left. You obviously never got double burst hexed in the back with P90. I advice you to come Hinkley this evening and I will show you how damaging this is. Sneaker with P90 and ability to double burst would be and Was in the past an OP build, this is exactly why sneaking with P90 is not a thing anymore. Sneaker build is a support biuld I know this is pain in the Ass to play but sneakers require entire different playstyle, and are basically Pro only build.
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Well, yes, 2 bursts of p90 are painful, I can see that. But it just makes sneaker's chances a bit more to equal with tanks. Sneaker wont get his chance for second burst, if u burst him yourself, he is wearing freaking leather armor and often is squishy, coz requires a lot of SPECIAL to do other stats. So it is not overpovering from what I see. Having 2 burst of LSW is ok, when u are standing here in CA, and having 2 burst of SMG is not, when u are dressed in leather one? Well, that is definitely not like we are trying to make balance, more like trying to play tanks only)))
So the same trick about 3 or whatever how many bursts. BG can also shoot more then one burst and it is painful on a huge range even with no BRD/MRD. SMG is painful only when hexing. So just be a smart guy, buy yourself a motion sensor. Every action must have counteraction.
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if i remember correctly there was suggestion to make sneaking more like a support skill, something like throwing. Cap it with 200 (200 will be as 300 now) so no nerf, just more like adding new ways for combat styles.
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Another thread of people complaining that support builds cant solo everything again :facepalm
really though, just because you think p90 is small and easy to use irl is no reason that should translate into the game. Other than that, sneakers are fine without p90. Last session only time sneaker with p90 was good is when a guy was busy doing something else or his ap is out so you could cheaply run up behind him and get a free kill because you arent visible until you are 3 hexes away. Its not more interesting for victims or for sneakers as I played both a tank and sneak last session. I quit using p90 because it was really boring and started using 223 pistol/guass pistol/pulse pistol/alien blaster. They are more fun to play and imo better than p90 when enemy isnt totally distracted/out of ap. If you still want to play brainlessly and destroy people at 1hex with sneak make a sneak melee and stunlock them as thats still doable. even plasma grenade sneak is viable.
on top of this sneak is a support build anyways. you have advantage of not being seen while being able to observe enemies every move and knowing when its best to strike(which obviously tanks cant do). this is a huge advantage and the cost of this is having shitty armor and having no burst. every team needs a sneak to give them info so this just magnifies the advantage of this build. the difference in having a good sneaker who can relay good info and a bad one who doesnt communicate well is the difference between victory and defeat.
And if you make a proper sneak build you will have 1 int and 1 cha anyways, so you are just a stupid really lucky ape with even better eagle eyes and no muscles. but nobody is forcing you to make an optimized build. you can kill with a build that has more int if you are too low level also. and really sg(xl, p90, sniper, grenade launcher, pancor, .223/14mm pistol) has more useful weapons than bg(rocket, LSW, avenger, possibly incinerator) and ew(gatling, plasma/laser rifle, solar, pulse pistol, alien blaster)
kilgore has said before sneaks are support only and thats why he removed p90 hex from them. i dont think his mind will change because of 1 more cry thread.
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Well, I see your point.
But u are wrong about me, I am completely agreed with support role. Informating your allies about enemy's positions is 1st priority for sneakers, yes. But the ability to hex is not giving that huge advantage as u say, u can only use it when opponent is out of AP or distracted. Also, he will see you much earlier then 3 hexes with a simple motion sensor. So sneaker should still keep himself away from a direct firefighting. All the things u say about making HtH sneak build are correct, but still nothing feels wrong for me if sneaker can hex. It is not about "solo everything" it just makes a chance for sneaker to kill a single-standing guy with no motion sensor by hexing with having no HtH skill or nades.
I realize it is stupid to transfer IRL experience to a game, I am not doing this. Just saying it is not ruining the balance. And besides crying, I am relying on what Ive build myself and heard from others, having exact situations and exact numbers, so it is still a complete suggestion, not just emotions.
So hexing for sneakers is just one of chances they can use. SMG is still bad on even a medium range and it feels nothing wrong to me if the guy who was stupid enough to stand alone and have no motion sensor, be punished by hexing inststead of HtH
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sneak should be only support imo
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Well, at least its not 100% emotion but still it is not completely support. you have the grenade/pistol/hth options to fight. If p90 hexing will make a big difference then it is too OP for a support build. hth is fine because it is good against only 1 enemy and you dont instakill them. p90 you can hex them 2x before they can even react then loot them and disappear again. With the melee spam there is some small chance to escape and the victim is actually alive so you both at least feel like you are playing the game a little.
Look at it like this. Imagine snipers= control wizards, sneaks= scouts/rogues, bursters= DPS wizards, and tanks= barbarians. In some other game it is like "why cant my rogue instakill a barbarian with a backstab?" and the answer would be because rogues are not dps, they are mainly scouts and so dont have that much damage. Of course they have some ability to fight to protect themselves but against a tank that is made 100% to resist crits and damage, you should not have such an ability. You can still kill a barbarian with some skill and a little luck by playing smart and using your advantages well, but it will be hard and you couldnt do it the same way another barbarian/dps could. Dps should and does instakill this barbarian because he is made for such things but he is weak to the control wizard because dps has less range and is weak to the effects the control wizard can do to him. So sniper>burster, burster>tank, tank>sniper. rogue is a bit different in that he has a big advantage that applies across all the other guys (sneak) but also has a big disadvantage in that he alone isnt too powerful. It will seem like most people are tanks because that is the front line cannon fodder, not that its too OP. Maybe its not a perfect analogy but its best i can come up with since fonline is a little different and theres always some hybrid builds.
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Sure, I am not pretending I am objective absolutely, if I figure out I am wrong, I ll stfu and get back to my PvE and revieving my build. Still, I am standing for leaving sneakers using SMG, tho your logic makes sense to me. I dont completely understand why instakill is that bad, but I suppose it is because I am squishy enough, and mostly die the same moment Ive been spotted. I can realise that mechanics can be beyond my understanding, but I still believe that hexing the unconsious guy must be allowed. Maybe that's just my emotions, coz I was relying on that when designing my build. But I still dont see why cant I KO him, then run forward and hex. Perhaps it is too tough if System allows me to use my sneak in proper way without penalties at all, but I suppose, those penalties could be less. So it could allow hexing if you were smart enough to make this guy dont attack u for any reason, but not allow jus simply jump out of the darkness and instakill. I suppose that if u see sneaker with SMG from 8-12 hexes, it would be enough to prevent hexing just fine. But if my goal is to hex unconsious guys, not just get any cheap kills, why isnt it possible? Just lowering that penalty to 25% would be nice, as it seems for me.
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Well you can still hex guys thats just unconscious. Just pull out the smg or xl or whatever from your inventory. Penalty only affects things in hand 1 and 2 slots.
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Well you can still hex guys thats just unconscious. Just pull out the smg or xl or whatever from your inventory. Penalty only affects things in hand 1 and 2 slots.
It's still not bursting.
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then press n as you do it?
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P90 sneak was never OP, it was an all or nothing build where you had to kill a lone target in 2 bursts or die yourself. The bottom line of this whole debate is people don't like carrying a motion sensor and didn't like it when they died because of that.
However it seems that the 'crying' of some counts more than the crying' of others so you'll have to be happy playing a "support build" which for some reason needs more levelling than a "main" build to be even remotely playable.
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if that is how you truly feel then take reloaded source and make your own upside down server where sneakers are both tanks and dps all at the same time. see how many would want to play your game with no concept of balance. im so glad kilgore is admin instead of you ;D
also its funny how you talk like i never played a sneak build and only ever played tank, but i played one that both used p90 and other weapons last session and i still say sneak p90 nerf was good. you didnt need any specific build to hex with p90 sneak. but what am i saying, you wont listen anyway.
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I've already answered the source thing elsewhere a long time ago.
Where did I say a sneak should be tank and have dps? I never said anything of the sort. Nor did I say you had never played a sneaker. It was just my opinion of the current state of sneak, and I'm not saying there aren't ways around it.
And for the record, I am glad Kilgore is admin and not me. :)
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Sneaker should be only a scout.
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Sneaker should be only a scout.
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kilgore has said before sneaks are support only and thats why he removed p90 hex from them.
My opinion (as a guy who only plays 'support' builds) is that when most builds in the game exist only to support Tanks, there is no hope of balance. It's getting better, but there should be more than one or two playable builds. It's boring otherwise.
As far as sneaks and SMG's, that nerf was needed. There were some ridiculous sneak builds running around late last session.
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kilgore has said before sneaks are support only and thats why he removed p90 hex from them.
My opinion (as a guy who only plays 'support' builds) is that when most builds in the game exist only to support Tanks, there is no hope of balance. It's getting better, but there should be more than one or two playable builds. It's boring otherwise.
As far as sneaks and SMG's, that nerf was needed. There were some ridiculous sneak builds running around late last session.
Gattling with crit easy counter all those tanks. You got playable :bg tank,sg tank, sneaker, gattling dps, gattling tank, crit burster, sniper, flamer, plasma, melee(a bit unbalanced). It's some variety, no need to complain.
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kilgore has said before sneaks are support only and thats why he removed p90 hex from them.
My opinion (as a guy who only plays 'support' builds) is that when most builds in the game exist only to support Tanks, there is no hope of balance. It's getting better, but there should be more than one or two playable builds. It's boring otherwise.
As far as sneaks and SMG's, that nerf was needed. There were some ridiculous sneak builds running around late last session.
Gattling with crit easy counter all those tanks. You got playable :bg tank,sg tank, sneaker, gattling dps, gattling tank, crit burster, sniper, flamer, plasma, melee(a bit unbalanced). It's some variety, no need to complain.
Yes, that s true you can choose from few builds. Remember only that only few of those can do high level PvE or stand alone longer in PvP than few secs.
It's bursters and tanks, no matter if its bg, sg or ew. Only tanky bursters can do more in battle. Support chars are important too, but tank/burster is more important and has bigger value than sniper/rocket launcher,or grenade launcher builds. Just my opinion after seeing few PvP fights or while making few dungeons. This affect RT, in TB being support char gives more chances. Maybe except sneaker.
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Variety of builds EXISTS but it's retarded as fuck, requires hours and days of grinding like retard to achieve level around 100 to make simple sniper that will die in 2 bursts even tho everyone cries sniper op and tanky as fuck and RNG is bitch. P90 and M3A1 bursters were most fun builds for solo pvp. Now thanks to QQ it's nerfed just like everything else. Die by gattling - gat op get killed by sniper - nerf sniper pls get rekt by bazooka spam - nerf bazookas splash dmg pls
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p90 can kill in 3 bursts snipers from range, there was no need to hex when sneaker had 2x brd and mrd. H&K G11E sneaker could 2 burst snipers. I think that was main reason to fix mechanics, and I was happy when it happened. Now it takes effort to use or solar, or .223, or equip lsw. Sneaker is still playable, with more complicated approach. I like as it is now (I myself play different alts, and also sneaker). Whole grinding thing is a nightmare, totally agree, and I would vote on changing xp gains or skill points gains with levels, than debate on sneaker topic itself.
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For the effort required its not worth making sneakers until you don't care about needing a useful build anymore.
BG Tanks are just much easier to make, and use
So the suggestion of lowering the requirements for sneak are quite legitimate.
Though this is a game where levels don't translate into more HP so making a level 212 comparable in combat with a level 24 evens the playing field between newbs and pro's.
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Bring back P90 sneakers! SMGs are useless atm.
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Bring back P90 sneakers! SMGs are useless atm.
Yep.
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Bring back P90 sneakers! SMGs are useless atm.
*slap*
NO
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No, its not useless.
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p90 can kill in 3 bursts snipers from range, there was no need to hex when sneaker had 2x brd and mrd. H&K G11E sneaker could 2 burst snipers. I think that was main reason to fix mechanics, and I was happy when it happened. Now it takes effort to use or solar, or .223, or equip lsw. Sneaker is still playable, with more complicated approach. I like as it is now (I myself play different alts, and also sneaker). Whole grinding thing is a nightmare, totally agree, and I would vote on changing xp gains or skill points gains with levels, than debate on sneaker topic itself.
^ This. Valchuck thinks very similarly to how I do :) it's a pity we are on opposing teams.
On top of players (new and old) getting 1hexed by sneakers while PvEing, it was extremely powerful in many aspects. I am glad it is out personally, but there is no doubt it lowered the potential of sneak DPS, and that is kind of the point.
I think one of crazy girls concerns was that for someone like a sneak arm crippler, at least having the option to 1hex gave the option to deal direct damage instead of very low damage and high crowd control, much like how a sniper might switch to an XL if forced into point blank combat, it is still possible for a sneak to do this, but at close range mucking about with inventory can be fatal.
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No, its not useless.
Useless is blocking stuff that isn't overpowered or atleast strong anyway.
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Back on 2238:
Nerfed plasma nades crits, when gnaa member was melting bbs with silent death perk.
Here:
Nerfed c4 when gnaa member was blowing bbs in masses.
Nerfed LSW/Bozar with sneak, when gnaa member was eliminating any build on range.
Nerfed p90 when gnaa member appeared in the middle of nowhere and was hexing bbs snipers.
What's next ?
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Nerf bg
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Nerf bg
nerf 1hexing instead, its too op
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zinthos pls :(
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Erm, but somehow Zinthos is right. It's not about taking cover, its not about FA, its not about any other shit. The only thing that matters is who gonna one hex his enemy. Everyone is dancing, moving, jumping etc just to make one hex shot...
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Nerf.. no.. REMOVE all weapons and replace with teddy bears and hugs. This game is too violent. Replace mutants with giant stuffed animals! Deathclaws should be changed to unicorns. NERF FONLINE NAO!!!11one1
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Nerf.. no.. REMOVE all weapons and replace with teddy bears and hugs. This game is too violent. Replace mutants with giant stuffed animals! Deathclaws should be changed to unicorns. NERF FONLINE NAO!!!11one1
You know there's more than black and white, or left and right? There is grey or middle...
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Nerf.. no.. REMOVE all weapons and replace with teddy bears and hugs. This game is too violent. Replace mutants with giant stuffed animals! Deathclaws should be changed to unicorns. NERF FONLINE NAO!!!11one1
;D ;D ;D hahaha this made me laugh imagine kilgore actually did this town control would be hug patrol lol
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haha mad matt thought zinthos is serious
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haha mad matt thought zinthos is serious
Hahaha, Hungry Hungry Shark thought I didn't notice that.
Now think once again, why I wrote "Erm, but somehow Zinthos..."
I didn't wrote nerf Miniguns/Avengers or all bursting weapon. I would rather see some small changes in game mechanics to make Close Combat Chars with Melee skill more usefull and less vulnerable to one hexing. Also on the other side burst is only waste of ammo if not done from on hex on all automatic weapons except shotguns and LSW.
Anyway it's just my opinion.
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burst is only waste of ammo if not done from on hex
so it takes strategy and skill then whats your problem with hexing?
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My problem is it should be slightly reworked. For now bursting is almost effective from one hex. Killing slags and players by onehexing isnt skill for me. Okay, maybe killing players it is. Still it s not skill that needs hardwork except few minutes of practice.
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Remove hexing and make fights stale like on tla ayy lmao please don't go back in time.
Sneaking should be scouting skill to avoid fighting and gain information in PvP, not to be true killa. As Long as I like those sneakers work, they're not seenable from medium range unless you've got sensor, snipers got troubles with seeing those sneakers, they can stand in front of them and burst them in face twice, so it's kind of broken.
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I didnt said remove, I said rework....
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Sneaker is trully pvp char, must be for fights when there are more than 10 people. It think its no point to invest time for balancing that shit. There will be always people who play sneaker and will cry that it cant kill with 2 shoots, some people will cry that they got killed by 2 range bursts and it should be nerfed. It should stay only as a scout.
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I can still kill most people in two hits from an upgraded 223 pistol, an alien blaster or a solar scorcher if I get lucky, 3 or 4 if unlucky maybe 5 or 6 if extremely unlucky, I really don't think that's why they took out p90 from sneak builds.
Making sneaks scout only (i.e. giving them no viable combat weapons) will just make them either useless or used only as alts before combat (or by assholes using duallogging sneakers for vision). I don't believe the idea is to nerf them out of combat, but to moderate their potential dps somewhat, so there is much less chance of being killed out of nowhere so fast that not even people with 1 ping could respond in time.
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Sneak should be more "support" type skill, used for scouting and similar not as popular pvp skill.
I'm waiting for next session changelogs ;)
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I think vision should be rebalanced. Sneaker should be visible from 35 hexes at least when you use full PE char and you look on him.
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I think vision should be rebalanced. Sneaker should be visible from 35 hexes at least when you use full PE char and you look on him.
all these posts :facepalm
lets maybe make sneakers visible beyond line of sight ?
When people don't know how to eliminate someone, they ask nerfs, instead of using their fucking brains
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It's mkhammer, what did you expect ::)
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Well, its Your vision of game, mine is different :). I dont care about Your pro skills in killing those sneaks, just wanted to point it out how dumb it is, when you look on sneaked character and you dont see him from 20 hex.
You guys want to have game for 500 players and you dont think rationally. That kind of build annoys more people than number of people who play it. It same story like with thief class in fonline.
I am out from here, cuz no point to disscuss with "PVP masters" aka top 30 in fonline :D
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Well, its Your vision of game, mine is different :). I dont care about Your pro skills in killing those sneaks, just wanted to point it out how dumb it is, when you look on sneaked character and you dont see him from 20 hex.
You guys want to have game for 500 players and you dont think rationally. That kind of build annoys more people than number of people who play it. It same story like with thief class in fonline.
I am out from here, cuz no point to disscuss with "PVP masters" aka top 30 in fonline :D
bye
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Bye mkhammer.
Btw sneak should be more support skill as bobblehead said or at least support char. Nothing more to add.
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There is no reason sneak should be nerfed any more - dont you realize that by doing that you only take away from the game and dont give anything in return ? The only product of nerfing sneak skill is even more people giving up on the game bcs they cant play their favorite role properly
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No one is saying it needs a nerf
It just doesnt need any buff, that s all. Its good as it is now.
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At the end of the fucking day this thread is in the river of tears section.
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I see no problem, its better to work things out here about sneak skill than open another fucking topic in suggestions thread.
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Not forum pvping,
but if you have a suggestion about sneakers then maybe it should be there not in thunderdome ?
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Until we have better view on what we want from sneak we can make in such a situation suggestion thread. For now its pointless, to make another unclear topic which will slowly become forum PvP.
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true,,, wastland is dieing... only 2 build remain tank and snajper... turn base palying already died- because loot from box in ruins are just a joke. sneak as scout?? u have to be high lever to build good sneaker and only thing u can do is scout.... , tank - u can use at 30lev.
u can use mouse- clicking mini real time game to fast pull lsw do hand from inv.... and hide to sneak again... enjoy...
i think that someone realy dont like sneakers.... and he destroy them, i loved playing as sneaker,,, now i play snajper or some tank shit,,, and now i play less...
game gives less and less,,,, u can only play tank (1 build) or snajper (one build) all ale simular,,, and now u can play wh reno tc ares..... that is all.. if u are in small team up to 3-4 people there is nothing u can do interesting in game. oh mighty nuclear God wipe this shit out as fast as u can...
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http://forum.fonline-reloaded.net/index.php?topic=8557.msg65302#msg65302 (http://forum.fonline-reloaded.net/index.php?topic=8557.msg65302#msg65302)
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http://forum.fonline-reloaded.net/index.php?topic=8557.msg65302#msg65302 (http://forum.fonline-reloaded.net/index.php?topic=8557.msg65302#msg65302)
For this link...
1. As an player at the sneaker character before nerf.
It wasn't so easy get so close to opponent and hex him, few times. I have to get good ping between own machine and server, good timing and counting for that my targer doesn't have active motion sensor in secondary slot. Hexing with SMGs wasn't always successfull. Even in LA2 sneakers are like piece of paper.
2. As an sneaker's target before nerf.
Instead crying on forum about my deaths by sneaker characters I started to use motion sensors.
3. As an player at the sneaker character after nerf.
I have my sneaker-sniper-critburst SG/BG build and it (she :D ) works fine, but yeah - without SMG is a little bit harder.
4. As an sneaker's target after nerf.
I don't see any typical sneaker who attacks typical tank character. One build less and few players left this game.
TOTAL:
- cryiers gonna cry a lot about sneakers, instead using MS what was created against them,
- SMGs are useless atm,
- MS are not so necessary like before nerf, almost useless.
Sneak skill as support skill:
Forget. We will get two PvP builds in game - tanks and snipers. Sneakers only as scouts? You made me laugh. You will get defenceless (read as useless) kind of build in this game.
Easy to use, sneaker builds for this day:
- throwing sneaker with plasma grenades,
- crit/dmg HtH sneaker with mega power fist.
Sneaker builds which are hard to use:
- sneaker sniper, any kind of weapons, it requires a lot of mouse clicking, own player's game skill and own real luck.
Sneaker builds which are useless atm:
- any SMG, MRD/BRD sneaker builds are useless.
Any of those sneaker builds requires a lot of levels. First you have to get 300% of sneak skill, second you have to get some other PvP skills and (sometimes optional) third you have to get some support skills.
Just stop nerfing it.
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Easy to use, sneaker builds for this day:
- throwing sneaker with plasma grenades,
- crit/dmg HtH sneaker with mega power fist.
omg
:facepalm
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Easy to use, sneaker builds for this day:
- throwing sneaker with plasma grenades,
- crit/dmg HtH sneaker with mega power fist.
omg
:facepalm
What's the issue? It is and easy to use and build sneaker build, sure it's not viable for some things but it is an easy to build and use build.
I certainly wouldn't take it to a TC though ;D
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- crit/dmg HtH sneaker with mega power fist.
omg
:facepalm
Full SW tank character vs crit/dmg HtH sneaker with mega power fist. = sneaker wins in 1v1 battle.
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- crit/dmg HtH sneaker with mega power fist.
omg
:facepalm
Full SW tank character vs crit/dmg HtH sneaker with mega power fist. = sneaker wins in 1v1 battle.
;D Nice pvp theory, but no.
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Before you negate it make a practice first.
http://forum.fonline-reloaded.net/index.php?topic=801.msg78863#msg78863
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Before you negate it make a practice first.
http://forum.fonline-reloaded.net/index.php?topic=801.msg78863#msg78863
Practice in forum pvp ? ::)
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You got an example. Practice it on your own.
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You got an example. Practice it on your own.
Example of that? Urinoterapiya? ;D
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"Sure", if you want it.
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Urinoterapiya will help to think well about crit hth sneakers just as you ?
No, thanks :D
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I don't know. But if you get that idea try it and tell to everybody what you think about it. Bon appetit if you don't have nothing to add.
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I don't know. But if you get that idea try it and tell to everybody what you think about it. Bon appetit if you don't have nothing to add.
To add to your desires? ::) :D
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To add to your desires? ::) :D
"Twoja stara" kind of posts brings more troll quality. You have to think faster.
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To add to your desires? ::) :D
"Twoja stara" kind of posts brings more troll quality. You have to think faster.
But I came not to troll as you here, I am amused simply by your phantom PVP theorys :D