An appeal to reason

[Smalltime]

Crafting an item should give XP only the first few times. Without this mechanic this happens:

- ARE YOU SERIOUS? 25exp is like rat ammount... I am playing first time in Fonline but crafting in here is really nice thing. Why not? You need at least 50% repair skill and there are more restrictions to craft some its, get prof so far i know, besides -if you wil not take perk at 3th lvl and wai to 6th lvl you will have only one to choose not two, but i can be wrong. I am wrong?

Let's do some math.
From 0 to 270,000 is 10800 poles.
At 10 str carry weight, without the two weight support perks, you can carry 186 logs at once.
That is 58 inventories full of wood till level 24. I watched a guy do this from level 2 to level 24 in about 12 hours, maybe a bit less.

If you stockpile the wood with a group of friends, you could easily lay out piles of wood that your new characters can macro to 24. The only caveat is that the person would have to sit there and level up when they get a perk. This method would take a meager few hours, maybe around 3-5.

[Kilgore]

1. Facepalm. If you consider something an exploit, you should just stay with sending me PM. But what did you here? Spamming forums + youtube video. This is just stupid.
2. Items from caves might need some chance adjustment, but you probably forgot about mentioning their condition, which is poor most of the time. Also where the fuck do you want to get APA from?
3. Decreasing XP gained from crafting 1-ingredient items is a sure thing to do, should have suggest it without bringing up the drama.
4. Wipe? I hope that was a joke on your side. It's completely not needed.

Btw: if your exp exploit was so huge, then why "The Elder" award is still taken by a dude who doesn't bot?

I'm looking forward to see those PA/APA squads in TC tomorrow..

[kill n die]

Killgore you have already, with the creation of this server and the implementations of fixes, shown yourself to be a much more competent developer than the entire previous 2238 team.

That being said, there are a few huge issues that have come up and need to be fixed. Especially before the implementation of town control. I will begin explaining these issues in the next few segments:

1. Crafting XP:
Crafting an item should give XP only the first few times. Without this mechanic this happens:

Players craft sharpened poles with a macro for 24 hours and get level 24. Crafting doesn't need a cool down. Crafting lots of things isn't a problem, but getting thousands of XP in mere minutes from crafting the most basic item in the game is a clear problem.

2. "Rare" Cave Loot:
Caves for the first few days had an extremely high chance of having rare loot. The % of drops has been reduced but the damage is irreparably done. Players should not have inventory like this:
http://puu.sh/4jc1Y.jpg
within the first 48 hours of the server. The economy is skewed, the balance is broken; any player that missed out will never be able to compete against those who didn't.

As you will notice, those images and videos are of me and my friends. This is not a cry about us not having the things, or about others having an advantage. We are not egotistical enough to assume that we were the only ones to discover these problems. The FOnline community has shown time and time again its resilience and tenacity. If we discovered these things the rest assured; MANY OTHERS HAVE. You cannot simply hope that players won't take advantage of the system at hand, well, because that's not the type of community this is....

I want this server to be a success, and with it in the hands of devs that are players, that listen to players, I think it can be. So please Killgore for the game to ever have any longevity you need to WIPE THE SERVER and push the town control function back. We already have everything we could want, and others likely do too. There is not much reason to play anymore besides messing with others.

Thank you

How about you slap your face? This isn't 2238,there shouldn't be nerfing and shit,it is good as it is,if you don't like it go back to tla mk2 suckin slavers kooks...
Also you little crying baby forget to mention that there is also a Deathclaws in caves that will rape youir anus like an god your brain...

[DocAN]

Crafting an item should give XP only the first few times. Without this mechanic this happens:

- ARE YOU SERIOUS? 25exp is like rat ammount... I am playing first time in Fonline but crafting in here is really nice thing. Why not? You need at least 50% repair skill and there are more restrictions to craft some its, get prof so far i know, besides -if you wil not take perk at 3th lvl and wai to 6th lvl you will have only one to choose not two, but i can be wrong. I am wrong?

we are talking 25 xp multiple times a second. 50 xp a second, in a minute its 3000xp, in an hour its 180000xp.... I hope it makes sense to you now.

Same ammout can be gain on Centaurs/Floaters even faster.

[Heartquake]

You forget that centaurs/floaters are not automated on a bot.

[Kilgore]

Yeah, that's a fact.
Anyway, thanks for reporting, will be fixed after update.

Btw

Caves for the first few days had an extremely high chance of having rare loot. The % of drops has been reduced but the damage is irreparably done.

This is funny because % of drops was left untouched ever since the server launch.. Random is god, I guess

[Smalltime]

1. Facepalm. If you consider something an exploit, you should just stay with sending me PM. But what did you here? Spamming forums + youtube video. This is just stupid.

Btw: if your exp exploit was so huge, then why "The Elder" award is still taken by a dude who doesn't bot?

I wouldn't call it an exploit, though I do support the lowering of the exp for single material crafts. A PM would have been more appropriate, but I didn't feel that it was broken enough to bother with, so I didn't post about it. You still have to find forest maps and then cut down all of the trees and whatnot, which takes time. It is essentially exp-wise pretty much on par with molotoving mantis. Hunting anything above mutated molerats with a decent combat character can match the XP gained from it, and heavily surpass it in some cases.
The only difference is, if you have a group of people quickly snag up about 10,000 logs and put it in a pile, it will get a char from 1-24 in short order. But that's a lot of work.
As far as "drama" goes, Lackey was as diplomatic as possible. He didn't make the video, it was a parody video I made because a few friends were using that method and I thought it was kind of a really shitty way to play a game, hence all the pomp and sound effects and sarcasm.
The only people who saw it were them, and whoever came into this thread.

[Adams]

Doesnt seem like a big deal to me.

[Lackey]

1. Facepalm. If you consider something an exploit, you should just stay with sending me PM. But what did you here? Spamming forums + youtube video. This is just stupid.
2. Items from caves might need some chance adjustment, but you probably forgot about mentioning their condition, which is poor most of the time. Also where the fuck do you want to get APA from?
3. Decreasing XP gained from crafting 1-ingredient items is a sure thing to do, should have suggest it without bringing up the drama.
4. Wipe? I hope that was a joke on your side. It's completely not needed.

Btw: if your exp exploit was so huge, then why "The Elder" award is still taken by a dude who doesn't bot?

I'm looking forward to see those PA/APA squads in TC tomorrow..

1. Perhaps a simple PM would have been more appropriate. My apologies for any drama. I am used to dealing with 2238 devs which is an exercise in futility.
2. While the stuff in caves isn't perfect condition, it is still highly functional (93/98 where abouts usually)
3. i'm glad we are in agreement.
4. Maybe a wipe isn't necessary, but a rollback for the 2 days that has been spent wouldn't be unreasonable IMO.
5. "The Elder" isn't awarded to someone who is botting because, why would someone keep doing it after 24? The point is to skip the grind. While a character can get more skill points after 24, the perks is the main reason. I'd wager that in the future a botter will have "The Elder" if just for the title.
6. Enclave armor =/= APA


**correction, Enclave Armor has comparable stats to Brotherhood Armor, maybe even a little lower and looks similar to Combat Armor MKII**

[kill n die]

1. Facepalm. If you consider something an exploit, you should just stay with sending me PM. But what did you here? Spamming forums + youtube video. This is just stupid.
2. Items from caves might need some chance adjustment, but you probably forgot about mentioning their condition, which is poor most of the time. Also where the fuck do you want to get APA from?
3. Decreasing XP gained from crafting 1-ingredient items is a sure thing to do, should have suggest it without bringing up the drama.
4. Wipe? I hope that was a joke on your side. It's completely not needed.

Btw: if your exp exploit was so huge, then why "The Elder" award is still taken by a dude who doesn't bot?

I'm looking forward to see those PA/APA squads in TC tomorrow..

1. Perhaps a simple PM would have been more appropriate. My apologies for any drama. I am used to dealing with 2238 devs which is an exercise in futility.
2. While the stuff in caves isn't perfect condition, it is still highly functional (93/98 where abouts usually)
3. i'm glad we are in agreement.
4. Maybe a wipe isn't necessary, but a rollback for the 2 days that has been spent wouldn't be unreasonable IMO.
5. "The Elder" isn't awarded to someone who is botting because, why would someone keep doing it after 24? The point is to skip the grind. While a character can get more skill points after 24, the perks is the main reason. I'd wager that in the future a botter will have "The Elder" if just for the title.
6. Not knowing the difference between APA and Enclave armor in a game you are making...

Aren't you Jovanka...?
Caves are ok,you talking so much bollox,my eyes already bleeding...
First of all there isn't a hq stuff in every cave,there is also low stuff like revolvers,shotguns etc.
And also like i said there are those deathclaws,also some items are very good hidden so if you don't go closer to some wall you don't even get a single thing...
Also many times is caves really empty...

[Lackey]

Christ no, I'm not that useless whore Jovanka.
And while not every cave has "rare" or "super powerful" loot, the occurrence of some having it seems a bit too high.

Personally I love some of the new outfits and fun stuff. I love rooting through caves to find something unique. But the fact remains, that you can find some really powerful stuff in short order.

[Martyr]

This thread is clown shoes.

In less than 12 hours I can level to (at least) 24 with only some BBs and a half dozen BB guns.

A BG or EW build I can do even faster, albeit with more ammo and equipment.

Macros are for fuckin super noobs, and anyone who has to use them probably won't get any extra edge on the rest of us.

[3.14]

I like cake. Cake is good. Everybody like cake. Let's have more cake on the server!

Makes no sens? Just like this topic.

May I quote the immortal wisdom of Cow&Chicken:

END.

[Uwierz]

I want this server to be a success, and with it in the hands of devs that are players, that listen to players, I think it can be. So please Killgore for the game to ever have any longevity you need to WIPE THE SERVER and push the town control function back. We already have everything we could want, and others likely do too. There is not much reason to play anymore besides messing with others.

- If it is really a problem, why you did not just wipe Your char, and make a new one?