FOnline: Reloaded

Factions => The Thunderdome => River of Tears => Topic started by: Gargantua on February 02, 2016, 06:51:11 pm

Title: Gonna ban me too?
Post by: Gargantua on February 02, 2016, 06:51:11 pm
So we have probably one of the biggest TB battles in Server history, and Kilgore decides it's a good time to Ban Khans permanently and in the middle of the encounter

Fireflare and his Brother LikeaNinja
Morakniv and his roommate GetRekt

I guess it's a crime to play fucking fonline?
(http://www.khanscentral.com/images/trap/bankhans.png)

Epic fail Kilgore


We Bring around 40+ members to this server, and this is how you treat them?

Extremely disappointed...
Title: Re: Gonna ban me too?
Post by: S.T.A.L.K.E.R on February 02, 2016, 07:01:50 pm
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Using multilog or fast relog timer in order to gain an advantage in PvP activities. Also includes scouting and looting. No warnings - it will result in a permanent ban. Fast relog means relogging to a different character during PvP in time shorter than 180 seconds, in order to join PvP activity. If you have to relog during PvP, make sure you have waited at least 180 seconds after logout (your previous character will disappear from game).

 ;D
Title: Re: Gonna ban me too?
Post by: Kilgore on February 02, 2016, 07:02:26 pm
I don't care about who is that, Khans or not, if you use duallog in PvP then you will be banned. Game rules are equal for everyone.

Duallog was obvious, first guy failed dual log test and didn't even have an excuse.
Second one was also obvious, "my bro plays it but he's gone because of dinner time!!!" excuse. Seriously do you think I'm first day in FOnline?

Btw I checked two characters from Social Warriors because I suspected duallog and they passed duallog test without problem.

Maybe tell your members to read game rules instead of starting shitstorm, thanks.
Title: Re: Gonna ban me too?
Post by: Gargantua on February 02, 2016, 07:05:39 pm
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Using multilog or fast relog timer in order to gain an advantage in PvP activities. Also includes scouting and looting. No warnings - it will result in a permanent ban. Fast relog means relogging to a different character during PvP in time shorter than 180 seconds, in order to join PvP activity. If you have to relog during PvP, make sure you have waited at least 180 seconds after logout (your previous character will disappear from game).

 ;D

Argument fail.

It's an average of 8 minutes between turns


You would be better to use this line
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Using multilog or fast relog timer in order to gain an advantage in PvP activities
Title: Re: Gonna ban me too?
Post by: Gargantua on February 02, 2016, 07:09:33 pm
Get a clue Kilgore - it's 8 minutes between turns.  People do other things whilst they wait, of course they are going to "fail" your test if they aren't instantly paying attention every second.

Might as well ban me on Single Log.  I only check every few minutes from my work station at the office.  I wouldn't pass the test either.

These guys are in my teamspeak and valid/real people.  You want a screenshot?  No, you don't care, and you are banning my members from the game.  Thanks for nothing.

Title: Re: Gonna ban me too?
Post by: Kilgore on February 02, 2016, 07:20:42 pm
Get a clue Kilgore - it's 8 minutes between turns.  People do other things whilst they wait, of course they are going to "fail" your test if they aren't instantly paying attention every second.

Might as well ban me on Single Log.  I only check every few minutes from my work station at the office.  I wouldn't pass the test either.

These guys are in my teamspeak and valid/real people.  You want a screenshot?  No, you don't care, and you are banning my members from the game.  Thanks for nothing.

Yeah sure.
Somehow, both characters were able to use chat when standing, but they weren't able to pass simple test?
Title: Re: Gonna ban me too?
Post by: Destiny on February 02, 2016, 07:34:47 pm
You guys are idiots man.. Fast relog =ban what ur saying is help the server and youcan do whatever u want? Its always been the biggest pvp rule in this game. Cant believe u guys are even arguing this. All u must do is wait three minites too reenyter. Its a 4-5 hour long fight man u have no need for this
Title: Re: Gonna ban me too?
Post by: S.T.A.L.K.E.R on February 02, 2016, 07:39:58 pm
Argument fail.

It's an average of 8 minutes between turns


You would be better to use this line

What exactly does 8 minute TB wait turn have to do with dual/fast-relogging ?
Title: Re: Gonna ban me too?
Post by: Barneys on February 02, 2016, 07:42:54 pm
Its pretty much the same rules in all fonline servers.
Title: Re: Gonna ban me too?
Post by: Mad Matt on February 02, 2016, 08:02:13 pm
(http://cdn.meme.am/instances/500x/50339051.jpg)
Title: Re: Gonna ban me too?
Post by: drot on February 02, 2016, 08:26:44 pm
(http://i.imgur.com/Yz4RoAG.png)
Title: Re: Gonna ban me too?
Post by: Gargantua on February 02, 2016, 08:28:21 pm
(http://i.imgur.com/Yz4RoAG.png)

Yeah you can add:

-Zinthos / Lecrafter Dual Logged

-Orchid on 2 chars

-Axton / Axton MK II

-Me for speaking out against the banning of my members
Title: Re: Gonna ban me too?
Post by: Destiny on February 02, 2016, 08:31:43 pm
Zinthos for sure was there on two chars. Orchid was not as he was in our teamspeak.
Title: Re: Gonna ban me too?
Post by: Koniko on February 02, 2016, 08:31:49 pm
(https://i.imgur.com/B5BSVqH.png)
Title: Re: Gonna ban me too?
Post by: S.T.A.L.K.E.R on February 02, 2016, 08:47:14 pm
(https://vice-images.vice.com/images/content-images/2014/12/22/cry-baby-of-the-year-2014-111-body-image-1419274886.jpg?resize=*:*&output-quality=75)
Title: Re: Gonna ban me too?
Post by: borkolok on February 02, 2016, 09:03:38 pm
so khans are saying they did NOT dual log and kilgore says they DID.

turns took 8 minutes, that means people could easily be AFK most of the time.

they shared IP, but is there a way to check mac addresses? or do we just have to trust them?

These guys are in my teamspeak and valid/real people.  You want a screenshot?  No, you don't care, and you are banning my members from the game.  Thanks for nothing.

I'm pretty sure Kilgore does care, but this is a very sensitive issue since if people start abusing multi-log the server can easily turn to shit.

I'm not taking any sides, I'm just curious if we can find a solid way to check for dual log which leaves  no room for any kind of DOUBTS.
Title: Re: Gonna ban me too?
Post by: Gargantua on February 02, 2016, 09:11:40 pm
Zinthos for sure was there on two chars. Orchid was not as he was in our teamspeak.

I was in your teamspeak too :) And Seki told Orchid to suicide to avoid dual log ban.

Not as salty as you think, and certainly not as dumb as you fucks; and since you guys are busy banning members of MY community - what goes around comes around.

Please Excuse me for trying to grow this community, and keep it's membership alive.  Whilst I ride against you bastards who want to ban everyone.
Title: Re: Gonna ban me too?
Post by: Kilgore on February 02, 2016, 09:23:27 pm
I'm pretty sure Kilgore does care, but this is a very sensitive issue since if people start abusing multi-log the server can easily turn to shit.

I'm not taking any sides, I'm just curious if we can find a solid way to check for dual log which leaves  no room for any kind of DOUBTS.

I don't ban people if I have doubts about it. This time I was online and could easily check it myself, for me these two cases were very obvious.

"Admins banning my gang because they don't like us and they act in favor of XYZ gang" is typical behaviour, but it would be better to just advise members to read game rules and respect them.
Title: Re: Gonna ban me too?
Post by: FireFlare on February 02, 2016, 09:24:52 pm
so khans are saying they did NOT dual log and kilgore says they DID.

turns took 8 minutes, that means people could easily be AFK most of the time.

they shared IP, but is there a way to check mac addresses? or do we just have to trust them?

These guys are in my teamspeak and valid/real people.  You want a screenshot?  No, you don't care, and you are banning my members from the game.  Thanks for nothing.


I'm pretty sure Kilgore does care, but this is a very sensitive issue since if people start abusing multi-log the server can easily turn to shit.

I'm not taking any sides, I'm just curious if we can find a solid way to check for dual log which leaves  no room for any kind of DOUBTS.

Checking MAC address will just open up a way to dual for people with 2 laptops/computers.



And for everyone else, I wasn't Dual logging and I don't need anyone to believe me.
6pm is a NORMAL time for dinner where I live and either way, I don't care about my characters, it's just a game.
But for Kilgore just to ban without allowing me to prove that what I am saying is true? nty.

Title: Re: Gonna ban me too?
Post by: Jeffrey I on February 02, 2016, 09:27:39 pm
Duallog was obvious, first guy failed dual log test and didn't even have an excuse.
Second one was also obvious, "my bro plays it but he's gone because of dinner time!!!" excuse. Seriously do you think I'm first day in FOnline?


These excuses sound similar to the old 'dog ate my homework'?

What if my dog plays on the computer in the next room at the same time? Legal?  8)

Dont cheat........Peace! 8)
Title: Re: Gonna ban me too?
Post by: Gargantua on February 02, 2016, 09:34:41 pm
It's not about being in favour of one gang or another.  No one is even talking about factions here Kilgore.

I just don't understand why my friends are being banned from this game for alleged "crimes" that other players aren't being banned for in the exact same encounter, and just because of your whim?

If you are going to enforce bans, do it for a good reason and the same reason for everyone, instead of just picking and choosing some individuals at random, and in the midst of an encounter.  Lame.
Title: Re: Gonna ban me too?
Post by: Destiny on February 02, 2016, 09:38:12 pm
Stop crying its done
Title: Re: Gonna ban me too?
Post by: Kilgore on February 02, 2016, 09:41:45 pm
I checked more people for duallog and haven't found any. When I teleported them to check for dual log, they passed it with no problems.

Players can't check various things, even current IP of a character, so dunno where your "100% sure info about someone dual log" comes from. I have more information available.
Title: Re: Gonna ban me too?
Post by: Gargantua on February 02, 2016, 10:00:00 pm
I checked more people for duallog and haven't found any. When I teleported them to check for dual log, they passed it with no problems.

Players can't check various things, even current IP of a character, so dunno where your "100% sure info about someone dual log" comes from. I have more information available.

Real transparent process Kilgore.

I don't see any screens, proof, logs, nothing?  Other than your "word"; which is total mud when I consider what you've done to my friends.

Title: Re: Gonna ban me too?
Post by: S.T.A.L.K.E.R on February 02, 2016, 10:06:08 pm
Spoiler: show
(http://i.imgur.com/OSrjSHP.jpg)


If you are going to enforce bans, do it for a good reason and the same reason for everyone, instead of just picking and choosing some individuals at random, and in the midst of an encounter.  Lame.

He actually had a good reason,  some of you dual/fast relogged while no one else did.  ;D

Real transparent process Kilgore.

I don't see any screens, proof, logs, nothing?  Other than your "word"; which is total mud when I consider what you've done to my friends.

He actually can see who's connected to the server. Something like this. + There are logs and other tools for this.

Spoiler: show
(http://i.imgur.com/XlZLC9X.png)
Title: Re: Gonna ban me too?
Post by: Kilgore on February 02, 2016, 10:16:11 pm
Real transparent process Kilgore.

I don't see any screens, proof, logs, nothing?  Other than your "word"; which is total mud when I consider what you've done to my friends.

You either trust admins or you don't.
If you don't, then you shouldn't play the game. It will be better both for you and game staff.
It is pretty much the same way with any online service, not only Reloaded game.
Title: Re: Gonna ban me too?
Post by: Mad Matt on February 02, 2016, 10:17:46 pm
Gargantua, please stop this shitty madness. They were banned for some reason. Respect server rules and your friends will be safe next time :)
I'm playing here longer than you and I can assure you that you can trust devs of Reloaded.
Title: Re: Gonna ban me too?
Post by: TKs-Mantis on February 02, 2016, 10:19:39 pm
Kilgore. You need to take criticism better. Plain and simple
Title: Re: Gonna ban me too?
Post by: Gargantua on February 02, 2016, 10:24:08 pm
He just banned me too.  Real nice Kilgore.  Definitely considering the sportsmanship of the matter.

(http://www.khanscentral.com/images/trap/bans.png)


Of course Khans don't trust admins!

-  Admins that ban their members without good reason in close encounters,  whilst not equally banning other equally accused players

-Admins that aren't transparent. 

-Admins that act without thinking, and

-Admins that don't respect their own rule of law.

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If you don't, then you shouldn't play the game. It will be better both for you and game staff.
It is pretty much the same way with any online service,

This Online service would struggle to continue it's existence without The Khans continued financial support.  All we're asking for is a fair shake and to be heard, and instead you are shitting all over us; not provided proof of any kind, and banning us unreasonably.
Title: Re: Gonna ban me too?
Post by: Kilgore on February 02, 2016, 10:24:18 pm
Kilgore. You need to take criticism better. Plain and simple
What do you mean? You mean that I should tolerate when Gargantua tells me to fuck myself? Or when the rest of your gang starts spamming insults at me?
No, it won't be tolerated, I've explained it few times already.
Title: Re: Gonna ban me too?
Post by: Gimper on February 02, 2016, 10:27:58 pm
I was gonna stay out of this but.... I was in teamspeak and I personally heard some one say "I'm gonna go eat dinner, I'll be back." Then a few minutes later they said "Where the f*ck am I?"

So I only have my word, but I can confirm that at least fireflare wasn't duel logging. He went to get food between HOUR long turns.

For everyone else, sorry I don't know whats up.
Title: Re: Gonna ban me too?
Post by: Kilgore on February 02, 2016, 10:29:26 pm
He just banned me too.  Real nice Kilgore.  Definitely considering the sportsmanship of the matter.

(http://www.khanscentral.com/images/trap/bans.png)


Of course Khans don't trust admins!

-  Admins that ban their members without good reason in close encounters,  whilst not equally banning other equally accused players

-Admins that aren't transparent. 

-Admins that act without thinking, and

-Admins that don't respect their own rule of law.

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If you don't, then you shouldn't play the game. It will be better both for you and game staff.
It is pretty much the same way with any online service,

This Online service would struggle to continue it's existence without The Khans continued financial support.  All we're asking for is a fair shake and to be heard, and instead you are shitting all over us; not provided proof of any kind, and banning us unreasonably.

You forgot to post a better screenshot.
Did you mean this?

(http://i.imgur.com/IY752pq.jpg)

What do you expect?

(http://i.imgur.com/FfFup5X.jpg)

Is this what you call "criticism"?


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This Online service would struggle to continue it's existence without The Khans continued financial support.

Financial support doesn't entitle you to break game rules and throw shit at game staff freely.
Title: Re: Gonna ban me too?
Post by: Gargantua on February 02, 2016, 10:38:26 pm
Kilgore. You need to take criticism better. Plain and simple
What do you mean? You mean that I should tolerate when Gargantua tells me to fuck myself? Or when the rest of your gang starts spamming insults at me?
No, it won't be tolerated, I've explained it few times already.


Maybe if you weren't banning our members left and right without a good reason or ANY proof, we wouldn't call you out.  You've banned 5 of us from the server today.  Some factions are lucky to even have 5 online!

And you are damn straight I am going to call you out when you unjustly ban my people.  That's my job; and you're doing yours wrong.

LOL @ Fat fuck, that's a good one, wish it was me...

Title: Re: Gonna ban me too?
Post by: FireFlare on February 02, 2016, 10:40:36 pm
Kilgore. You need to take criticism better. Plain and simple
What do you mean? You mean that I should tolerate when Gargantua tells me to fuck myself? Or when the rest of your gang starts spamming insults at me?
No, it won't be tolerated, I've explained it few times already.

Or actually listen to players? That way you can entirely avoid situations where people get mad
Title: Re: Gonna ban me too?
Post by: Kilgore on February 02, 2016, 10:41:15 pm
And you are damn straight I am going to call you out when you ban my people, then I'm going to cry a river when I get banned for that.  That's my job;

Fixed for you.
Title: Re: Gonna ban me too?
Post by: Destiny on February 02, 2016, 10:43:42 pm
proper punishment would be to give sw the loot
;)
Title: Re: Gonna ban me too?
Post by: Gargantua on February 02, 2016, 10:52:12 pm
And you are damn straight I am going to call you out when you ban my people, then I'm going to cry a river when I get banned for that.  That's my job;

Fixed for you.


That's a petty and weak response Kilgore.  Editing my posts to boast your admin power?  More lame.
Title: Re: Gonna ban me too?
Post by: Hungry Hungry Shark on February 02, 2016, 11:04:32 pm
Gargantua should be unbanned. Players walking around with names like "childporn" and saying some really ugly things and gargantua gets banned for his angry words?
Title: Re: Gonna ban me too?
Post by: Gargantua on February 02, 2016, 11:06:39 pm
All we're asking for is a fair shake and to be heard, and instead you are shitting all over us; not providing proof of any kind, and banning us unreasonably.



And typical Kilgore.  The Radio chatter isn't me, I've already been banned before hand if you look at the screens.  Thanks Kilgore for proving exactly what The Khans are pissed off about.
Title: Re: Gonna ban me too?
Post by: Mad Matt on February 02, 2016, 11:18:22 pm
What's your problem, no respecting game rules = ban, having no respect for devs = ban.
I don't see anything wrong. Btw. next time avoid situation when you could be sentenced for dual logging. It's not hard.
Title: Re: Gonna ban me too?
Post by: Dr. Mengelito on February 02, 2016, 11:24:19 pm
Basicly the SW are using the report function as a weapon, encouraging their behavior by giving them what they want is why the admin inbox is filled with cry and shit. If I where a dev here I'd check the logs of all those who report others aswell.

#freegarg2016 #fireflaredindunuffin #supportaki
Title: Re: Gonna ban me too?
Post by: Kilgore on February 02, 2016, 11:25:34 pm
And typical Kilgore.  The Radio chatter isn't me, I've already been banned before hand if you look at the screens.  Thanks Kilgore for proving exactly what The Khans are pissed off about.

You told me to fuck myself and then you got banned for that.

First you talk about "no proofs" and when I post proofs, you claim you were banned before. So why you want any proofs to be posted in the first place, if you consider them "fake" or "not enough" or whatever? You're totally ridiculous.

Btw that radio chatter was actually before you got banned, you can check in-game time on each screen (of course except the one you posted, because for some strange reason you cut it). Still it wasn't the reason of ban.
Title: Re: Gonna ban me too?
Post by: Mad Matt on February 02, 2016, 11:27:37 pm
Meng.:


I checked more people for duallog and haven't found any. When I teleported them to check for dual log, they passed it with no problems.

Players can't check various things, even current IP of a character, so dunno where your "100% sure info about someone dual log" comes from. I have more information available.
Title: Re: Gonna ban me too?
Post by: FireFlare on February 02, 2016, 11:29:05 pm
Look, everyone with opinions has criticism on how to do things better, just the way it is, but if someone gives absolutely no attention to those ideas they will get mad, it would become something that gets out of hand eventually. What about if you, Kilgore, put yourself in our shoes, how would you react? I'm sure you would do the same, give criticism about what happened and how it should be dealt with, am I right?


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Title: Re: Gonna ban me too?
Post by: borkolok on February 02, 2016, 11:33:08 pm
those logs won't help with much if they just show IP and people are playing from a shared IP ( router ).

this whole "you either trust admins or find a new game" is something I have mixed feelings about.

in the online world, people DO TRUST big companies, because they know that if you ask for proof,you will get it.(even if it takes a while and some nagging)

on the other hand you are providing a free service for a very niche market, no gaming company would bother to support this kind of game, and you do put a
lot of effort into it(I'm speaking about the entire reloaded staff), so I understand why you would expect blind trust.

Gargantua says the Khans provide financial support, if true that would mean they at least deserve to get some proof.

maybe some apologies from the khans for all those insults since they were just an emotional response, you assumed Kilgore was out to get you and you felt betrayed maybe because of your donations, but he and the staff have given hours and hours of work we don't know about, we only see the results, not the other 90% of development time "wasted" on content that never came to be or is in stasis.

at the end of the day, we all want the same thing, this server to be great. we should try to find some middle ground between players and admins, I don't think blind trust will work with this kind of niche market, unless you want only sheep to play.

Title: Re: Gonna ban me too?
Post by: Gargantua on February 02, 2016, 11:34:51 pm
What's your problem, no respecting game rules = ban, having no respect for devs = ban.
I don't see anything wrong. Btw. next time avoid situation when you could be sentenced for dual logging. It's not hard.

#1 Game rules weren't broken -> But players still get Banned
#2 Explain the situation privately -> get told to fuck off, bans not repealable
#3 See Actual rule breakers -> no ban no action, despite asking why
#4 Make it public and ask WTF -> get told to pound sand, no evidence provided,
#5 Get accused of things you didn't say/do by admin  -> repeat steps 1-5 all over again

Yes I did say Fuck Kilgore and his bans, and I meant it.  That's the only valid "crime" of the lot.

There's no avoiding Next Time Mad Matt - that's the whole point of the thread.  My guys were just selected and banned.
Title: Re: Gonna ban me too?
Post by: Mad Matt on February 02, 2016, 11:35:15 pm
Look, everyone with opinions has criticism on how to do things better, just the way it is, but if someone gives absolutely no attention to those ideas they will get mad, it would become something that gets out of hand eventually. What about if you, Kilgore, put yourself in our shoes, how would you react? I'm sure you would do the same, give criticism about what happened and how it should be dealt with, am I right?


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Even if he would do the same it doesn't mean game staff wouldn't ban him for such behavior.  Back to subject stop talking about "what if...", it's better to focus on that what you did.






Back to subject, Kilgore said your boys didn't passed the test. In my opinion it would be better to say sorry to Kilgore, don't act like server's owner and ask for unban. It would be faster, easier and simply as fucking. Try it Next Time instead of  calling REAL server owner to go and fuck himself...
Title: Re: Gonna ban me too?
Post by: FireFlare on February 02, 2016, 11:43:27 pm

Look, everyone with opinions has criticism on how to do things better, just the way it is, but if someone gives absolutely no attention to those ideas they will get mad, it would become something that gets out of hand eventually. What about if you, Kilgore, put yourself in our shoes, how would you react? I'm sure you would do the same, give criticism about what happened and how it should be dealt with, am I right?


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Even if he would do the same it doesn't mean game staff wouldn't ban him for such behavior.  Back to subject stop talking about "what if...", it's better to focus on that what you did.

What I did was create a flare trap that is and will probably end in a huge circle jerk, I got my brother to spawn in, bluesuit, when things got heated. It's tough to just tell my parents to fuck off if I'm playing a game, I at least try to have some decent respect, that's the way me and my family is raised. My brother went offline and I gave some more locations of players, Kilgore teleported me out of the flare and demanded that I gave him proof, right at that moment. I explained myself and my situation and he just laughed at me and banned me.

That's what I did, what I thought and how Kilgore reacted, in my opinion unreasonable way without allowing me for me and my brother to explain ourselves.


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Title: Re: Gonna ban me too?
Post by: Mad Matt on February 02, 2016, 11:48:41 pm
Any proof or just words ? I think if you would ask him, he surely would give you few minutes to call your brother.

Anyway it's quiet strange your brother were eating and respecting parents when you...were playing...so ?
Title: Re: Gonna ban me too?
Post by: S.T.A.L.K.E.R on February 02, 2016, 11:50:48 pm
This Online service would struggle to continue it's existence without The Khans continued financial support.  All we're asking for is a fair shake and to be heard, and instead you are shitting all over us; not provided proof of any kind, and banning us unreasonably.

I lol'd at this.
Title: Re: Gonna ban me too?
Post by: Gargantua on February 02, 2016, 11:52:00 pm
Whatever,

We've tried being polite, we've also tried being impolite. Words have failed.    Thank you everyone in the community who have commented good or bad. 

My final comment on this matter is that the Khans don't surrender - and there will be retribution for this insolence - however drastic we choose it to be. 

There is no point in any further discussion.
Title: Re: Gonna ban me too?
Post by: Mad Matt on February 02, 2016, 11:54:59 pm
Come on Garg, I was always believing in you. Just try to get things straight, don't act like Bison with stick in his ass. Peace, I have still hope you will make it alright.
Title: Re: Gonna ban me too?
Post by: FireFlare on February 02, 2016, 11:55:14 pm

Any proof or just words ? I think if you would ask him, he surely would give you few minutes to call your brother.

Anyway it's quiet strange your brother were eating and respecting parents when you...were playing...so ?

I can prove myself however Kilgore wants. So can my brother.

Like I said, I was giving out remaining positions and was about to go offline, tired from already 3 or so hours of fighting and maybe I'm just a little addicted to this game, always having that "one more minute" mentality. My brother doesn't has such mentality and isn't as deep into this game as me. Hell, he doesn't even play this game, I just gave him a shitty character he could scout with.


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Title: Re: Gonna ban me too?
Post by: Mad Matt on February 02, 2016, 11:58:04 pm
Ok, now I get it. I can only advice you Khans, don't spam on forum cause it gonna make it only worse. Sometimes it is better to explain something in PM with devs, without insults of course.
Title: Re: Gonna ban me too?
Post by: FireFlare on February 03, 2016, 12:15:53 am
That's what Garg tried, privately and got told to fuck off.

I'm being civil, giving new perspectives and basically explaining myself and still Kilgore doesn't seem to care.

It happened many times before this, from plain ignorance to just miscommunication. Kilgore is only picking up the negatives, which will happen if you don't seem to care about criticism and yes, if you make players think you don't care, then people give their opinions in a less civil way. That is what is happening now, out in the open, for everyone to see, for everyone to make their opinions about.
Title: Re: Gonna ban me too?
Post by: Koniko on February 03, 2016, 08:33:52 am
Gargantua should be unbanned. Players walking around with names like "childporn" and saying some really ugly things and gargantua gets banned for his angry words?

Game =/= forums. Nicknames like these on forums would get banned but not ingame. The game has own set of rules and forums got separate one. What connects both is fact that u may not disrespect developers.  They've spend a lot of time to get this pile of pixels working for your primitive entertainment and u better respect it.
Title: Re: Gonna ban me too?
Post by: worldremaker on February 03, 2016, 09:05:51 am
#1 Game rules weren't broken -> But players still get Banned
#2 Explain the situation privately -> get told to fuck off, bans not repealable
#3 See Actual rule breakers -> no ban no action, despite asking why
#4 Make it public and ask WTF -> get told to pound sand, no evidence provided,
#5 Get accused of things you didn't say/do by admin  -> repeat steps 1-5 all over again

#1 If they cheatting then why not?
#2 You play with adults, kid.
#3 It's only a cry action afterall.
#4 If you have to do it public then make it without any insults, even if you didn't get any response. Look, it's so simple http://forum.fonline-reloaded.net/index.php?topic=10017.msg82399#msg82399
#5 It doesn't make sense. Think about it.

Yes I did say Fuck Kilgore and his bans, and I meant it.  That's the only valid "crime" of the lot.
I don't like the situations when opponents are sending insults and it's doesn't matter where - to other players or game staff. Look how it looks and tell me it's really OK:

(http://www.image-share.com/upload/3161/128.jpg)
Ooops... :D

There's no avoiding Next Time Mad Matt - that's the whole point of the thread.  My guys were just selected and banned.

If you think that it's a some problem with recognition who use cheats I can tell you "hell no" then. The FOnline's community is too small for it and most of the old players can recognition that situation very easy. When SW did it they sent request for check it without any nicknames used in the game by +requesthelp ingame command. Reaction from admins was very fast and they checked everybody there, even from SW like Koniko who had there shared character with his friend from Old Virgins team. His friend was on our TeamSpeak.
Title: Re: Gonna ban me too?
Post by: manero on February 03, 2016, 09:53:04 am
I was gonna stay out of this but.... I was in teamspeak and I personally heard some one say "I'm gonna go eat dinner, I'll be back."

This one is my favorite.
Title: Re: Gonna ban me too?
Post by: Kilgore on February 03, 2016, 06:20:10 pm
First thing:
That's what Garg tried, privately and got told to fuck off.

Bullshit. Here's my reply which I sent to him (and Bison). Nobody was being told to fuck off. The topic was already posted.

(http://i.imgur.com/aQYhY0Y.png)

Second thing:
Having two characters, playing from one IP, in one map, with more than 30 players on it - I would call it a specific situation.
In this specific situation, if you don't want to be banned for dual log, you should at least be able to prove that there are two persons playing on these chars - as long as these two characters were inside.
But you weren't able to prove that, so you were banned for duallog. What else you could expect?
You probably don't have an idea how many times, when catching duallogging people, we (me and DocAn) hear those excuses:
- I'm playing with my brother/sister/mother/father/dog! but they are afk, because he/she is eating/went to shop/walk the dog/water the plants in the garden.

Third thing:
I'm being civil, giving new perspectives and basically explaining myself and still Kilgore doesn't seem to care.

It happened many times before this, from plain ignorance to just miscommunication. Kilgore is only picking up the negatives, which will happen if you don't seem to care about criticism and yes, if you make players think you don't care, then people give their opinions in a less civil way. That is what is happening now, out in the open, for everyone to see, for everyone to make their opinions about.

What communication? You and the other guy didn't even PM me once about ban, just waited until your faction leader starts shitstorm. Which is wrong of course, because shitstorm never helps.

But I'll tell you how a typical administration would react:
- a typical administration would ban you providing no answer for you asking why,
- a typical administration would ban Gargantua for a long time, probably permanent, in game for insults, in forum for starting flame and spamming other sections,
- a typical administration would lock and remove this thread.
Maybe this is the way we should solve problems?

You are talking about ignorance and lack of communication? Then why my inbox doesn't have even one message from you about your ban?
Title: Gonna ban me too?
Post by: FireFlare on February 03, 2016, 06:50:11 pm
Kilgore, the reason I didn't PM you is because at the moment I didn't care and still, I don't care, I've said this yesterday too it's just a couple days of time which I can get back.

My comment about the communication is not just yesterday, but I get it, we can't listen to everyone and respond to everyone.

And I also understand that you and DocAn don't have to believe every single person. I'm not making it a  problem. Hell, I'm not even mad. I'm just answering questions and telling things I believe should be said.
Title: Re: Gonna ban me too?
Post by: S.T.A.L.K.E.R on February 05, 2016, 09:28:30 pm
What a great beginning for Reloaded  2016. First Perq guy now Khans start bitching  ;D
Title: Re: Gonna ban me too?
Post by: jokeusa on February 28, 2016, 08:51:18 pm
Wow, and I thought I had it hard in Customer Support, poor Kilgore :/

Hang in there mate, and, if I were you, I'd close this thread after your first reply - Game Staff punishments shouldn't be a thing open to public debate.

GL with the job and thanks for keeping this all up, some of us really appreciate it :)
Title: Re: Gonna ban me too?
Post by: Krizu on March 03, 2016, 04:16:52 pm
We're with you Kilgore. Don't stand for that shit. You the man. Keep up the great work and don't let shitheads drag you down.
Title: Re: Gonna ban me too?
Post by: Gargantua on March 03, 2016, 04:23:28 pm
We're with you Kilgore. Don't stand for that shit. You the man. Keep up the great work and don't let shitheads drag you down.

Month 2 late
Title: Re: Gonna ban me too?
Post by: yungchance on March 03, 2016, 05:14:56 pm
*Sips tea* Forgot about this thread.  While I was playing with SW I personally know for a fact Orchid was in fact duallogging.  Seki told him to suicide on his other character and Orchid simply logged out so he had one char inside and another logged out.  Which is still illegal.  This is why Gargantua was so upset because HE KNEW SW were cheating as well but they got let go.  Idc if anyone believe me. The truth is the truth whether the SW want to admit it or not.
Title: Re: Gonna ban me too?
Post by: Solaire on March 03, 2016, 05:21:49 pm
Ehhh that reminds me good old tom and jerry toons
Its almost the same kind of stuff there but you are like playing hot seat here one and another change role in dinamic way
And dont even care about it but its fun to read

Praise the sun and old toons!!!

Wysłane z mojego LG-H440n przy użyciu Tapatalka

Title: Re: Gonna ban me too?
Post by: Awgy on March 03, 2016, 08:14:53 pm
*Sips tea* Forgot about this thread.  While I was playing with SW I personally know for a fact Orchid was in fact duallogging.  Seki told him to suicide on his other character and Orchid simply logged out so he had one char inside and another logged out.  Which is still illegal.  This is why Gargantua was so upset because HE KNEW SW were cheating as well but they got let go.  Idc if anyone believe me. The truth is the truth whether the SW want to admit it or not.

Orchid is not SW man... other than that it is a bug more than cheat if your char never disappear from TB fight if you log out.

TB is broken sadly:
-Drugs have not timeout in TB
-Turns are way too long
-You do not disappear after log out
-Turns take so long that you can kill 20 ppl with dynamite coz you will re-spawn faster than they will can move.
List can go on and on.

I honestly don't remember what was happening then. It was an intense and long fight. ( I was in this trap for 12 hours)
Nevertheless I think we all got over this stuff, and started new era in Reloaded 2nd session, I sincerely hope it will be more fighting for fun than drama.
Every cheater and exploiter should get banned no matter what team he is in.
Rules are here to be obeyed not to be ignored.
This entire situation got a little bit out of control at one point, and lets just leave it buried deep in abyss of reloaded forums.

Peace


Title: Re: Gonna ban me too?
Post by: S.T.A.L.K.E.R on March 03, 2016, 08:19:17 pm
*Sips tea* Forgot about this thread.  While I was playing with SW I personally know for a fact Orchid was in fact duallogging.  Seki told him to suicide on his other character and Orchid simply logged out so he had one char inside and another logged out.  Which is still illegal.  This is why Gargantua was so upset because HE KNEW SW were cheating as well but they got let go.  Idc if anyone believe me. The truth is the truth whether the SW want to admit it or not.

He immediately recognized his mistake and removed his character + he didn't  get any PvP advantage during that shit TB trap. Unlike Khans that fought while dual-logging  ;)

This happened a long time ago so nobody gives a fuck now  ::)
Title: Re: Gonna ban me too?
Post by: Gargantua on March 03, 2016, 09:54:13 pm
This happened a long time ago so nobody gives a fuck now  ::)

Except T.A.L.K.E.R. who still gives a fuck. lol
Title: Re: Gonna ban me too?
Post by: Solaire on March 03, 2016, 10:09:51 pm
"I feel the (shit)storm is coming"
Thats a nice qute(modified to situation of course)
From a good game i recommend it but there is a little quiz
What is the name of the game that quote is from ?

Praise the sun and (blank) series!!!

Wysłane z mojego LG-H440n przy użyciu Tapatalka

Title: Re: Gonna ban me too?
Post by: yungchance on March 03, 2016, 10:52:19 pm
*Sips tea* Forgot about this thread.  While I was playing with SW I personally know for a fact Orchid was in fact duallogging.  Seki told him to suicide on his other character and Orchid simply logged out so he had one char inside and another logged out.  Which is still illegal.  This is why Gargantua was so upset because HE KNEW SW were cheating as well but they got let go.  Idc if anyone believe me. The truth is the truth whether the SW want to admit it or not.

He immediately recognized his mistake and removed his character + he didn't  get any PvP advantage during that shit TB trap. Unlike Khans that fought while dual-logging  ;)

This happened a long time ago so nobody gives a fuck now  ::)
You were not there, and Entering with one and coming in on another even if both are bluesuit can be considered scouting and or looting.  Also on the topic of Orchid not being SW.  He was SW at the time.  Yeah IK this thread is old hence "forgot this existed".  But there are still people walking around not truly grasping why there was such a shit storm. 
Title: Re: Gonna ban me too?
Post by: Awgy on March 03, 2016, 11:10:10 pm
*Sips tea* Forgot about this thread.  While I was playing with SW I personally know for a fact Orchid was in fact duallogging.  Seki told him to suicide on his other character and Orchid simply logged out so he had one char inside and another logged out.  Which is still illegal.  This is why Gargantua was so upset because HE KNEW SW were cheating as well but they got let go.  Idc if anyone believe me. The truth is the truth whether the SW want to admit it or not.

He immediately recognized his mistake and removed his character + he didn't  get any PvP advantage during that shit TB trap. Unlike Khans that fought while dual-logging  ;)

This happened a long time ago so nobody gives a fuck now  ::)
You were not there, and Entering with one and coming in on another even if both are bluesuit can be considered scouting and or looting.  Also on the topic of Orchid not being SW.  He was SW at the time.  Yeah IK this thread is old hence "forgot this existed".  But there are still people walking around not truly grasping why there was such a shit storm.

Like i said it is foggy for me right now, and seriously i don't give a fuck anymore (TBH i never did, it was not me that had issue with stuff that happened there anyway). One thing I am sure of is that Orchid was not SW then (till this day i have talks with Orchid about why he was removed from faction), Yes Orchid was on SW TS, but he was not a faction member. I was on Khans TS when this fight happened and it does not make me a khan.